Re: Iron March Forum

[Isakenaz]

Eh? Bark louder, Fido. Foaming at the mouth is beginning to obscure your noise.

[>Implyin]

Eh? Bark louder, Fido. Foaming at the mouth is beginning to obscure your noise.

>Can't refute
>Use an argumentum ad hominem instead
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[Admin]

'Kikehunt', your refusal you adhere to the parameters that were established for participation in this thread will result in one of the following actions:

1) The thread will be temporarily locked.

2) Every one of your posts, regardless of its content, will be deleted.

At this point, I am inclined to pursue the latter option. (We simply lack the time necessary to comb through every one of your inane posts and determine whether or not it should be removed.) However, if you decide to continue to spam this thread, after that option has been executed, I will go ahead and temporarily lock this thread.

If any of the more mentally stable reactionaries sincerely desire to continue with this discussion, I suggest you confer with 'Kikehunt' on the matter.

[kikehunt]

Every one of your posts, regardless of its content, will be deleted.

I literally just shit my pants

when I saw

all the fucks I don't give!

like I said earlier; if it this is just such a huge dildo up your arse, go ahead and remove it. though that would of course prove, that you are indeed a faggot

If any of the more mentally stable reactionaries sincerely desire to continue with this discussion, I suggest you confer with 'Kikehunt' on the matter.

Divide and conquer huh? The mentally stable reactionaries do not care. They have also already gotten all the jew tears they wanted, and plenty more for the winter.

[kikehunt]

Kikehunt', your refusal you adhere to the parameters that were established for participation in this thread will result in one of the following actions:

Eh? Bark louder, Fido. Foaming at the mouth is beginning to obscure your noise.

At this point, I am inclined to pursue the latter option. (We simply lack the time necessary to comb through every one of your inane posts and determine whether or not it should be removed.) However, if you decide to continue to spam this thread, after that option has been executed, I will go ahead and temporarily lock this thread.

Yeah? You're nothing but a joke. Your ideas are laughable and not even worth addressing. Your ideology will remain obscure and you will never accomplish anything. Have fun wallowing in your own filth. I'm done with this shit. Respond all you want, I won't see it.

[>Implyin]

Why do you keep deleting my posts that refute your members, and ones that question the deletion of said posts? I refuted your members, it was as simple as that, why would you delete it? Can you not handle having your members being refuted by Fascists?

[NationalPhalanx]

10/10 good thread

[Guest777]

Mindless history revisionism is not worth debating, unless you prove this, and say exactly what in our "humanist doctrine" motivates invading sovereign countries.

I can as easily say that Blair was a capitalist agent working to allow access to the balkans for the US and their companies, an important geopolitical area in all the European history.

"The Kosovo War, which Blair had advocated on moral grounds, was initially a failure when it relied solely on air strikes; the threat of a ground offensive would convince Serbia's Slobodan Milošević to withdraw. Blair had been a major advocate for a ground offensive, which Bill Clinton was reluctant to do, and would order that 50,000 soldiers – most of the available British Army – should be made ready for action."
Marr, Andrew; A History of Modern Britain (2008 printing); page 550

What do I have to prove which is not already established fact? What good would it do me? you always give me the run around, none of you are interested in the truth, only being right. You all absolutely love to play dumb in debate, it is easy to see why kikehunt lost patience with you, and there is no reason why he shouldn't have - you are arrogant beyond belief and show no respect.

Ok so your theory is that reality didn't happen and the sole motivation for the war in kosovo was economic imperialism. War with Serbia marked a sad day for some conflict resolution theorists of the position you seem to be advocating; it was the end of 'Macdonalds Peace Theory'; no two countries with a Macdonalds have declared war on eachother, but there was one in Belgrade.

The result of the war with serbis is:
>WAR - So cuts economic ties with the west.
>the continues sovereignty of Serbia proper.
>the mass destruction of the economic infrustructure.
>Cannot into the EU, because of western demonisation.
So international corporations could better steal the Serbian clay eheheheheheheheh.

[ForTheFuture]

For the first time I agree with Kikehunt here, either separate the wheat from the chaff (it's only 10 pages to sort through, and only like 2 or 3 per page, hell, I'll do it) or just keep the asinine shit up for all to see.

[GF]

What do you mean by 'your'? I have been perfectly cordial most of the time, so was Alex. Most users here have given practically no consideration, but rather than keeping it to themselves they have continually ignored serious responses but still drop in to make provokative remarks - If this happened on Iron March then there would be reprimands. It is retarded for a member to promote his standing in the forum by attempting to get in on a drama - whenever we have someone with a genuine mental ilness this is exactly the kind of behaviour they engage in. If these are somehow provokations why do your members continually respond to kikehunt? I also find this passive agressive voting more than a little bizzare, I am not sure what is trying to be proved with this.

You're fascists. People are going to react to many of your ideas with hostility. I thought you'd be used to that by now. If you're legitimately interested in debate, you should react to what comments you perceive as being immature with maturity, otherwise a thread devolves, into, well, something like this one. Instead many posters from Iron March decided to revert to insults in return, and now are playing the holier than thou game.

[GF]

Kikehunt, if you guys want, retaliate. All I'm saying it's stupid to expect that doing so will contribute to having any sort of quality discussion. If you sincerely wanted to have a constructive debate, you would respond with maturity, regardless of what you think of the other side's arguments. That or leave.

[kikehunt]

that was literally, the stupidest delete ever. I did not say anything vulgar, now you are literally just censoring me. I will continue to repost this until you stop deleting it. I call this magic trick copy-paste.

You're fascists. People are going to react to many of your ideas with hostility. I thought you'd be used to that by now. If you're legitimately interested in debate, you should react to what comments you perceive as being immature with maturity, otherwise a thread devolves, into, well, something like this one. Instead many posters from Iron March decided to revert to insults in return, and now are playing the holier than thou game.

>you're fascists
>fascists are subhuman
>that is why we hold you to higher ethical standards

Sorry, you deserved everything you got. If we are acting holier than thou, it is because you consider us to be holier than you. None of us here started bitching, insulting, censoring or posting anything without intellectual content or purpose upon coming here. ALL of you, with the exception of celt, did exactly that. if you want to hold an intellectual debate, that cut out your double standards, censorship, and try actually saying something of value.

[Leon Mcnichol]

"The Kosovo War, which Blair had advocated on moral grounds, was initially a failure when it relied solely on air strikes; the threat of a ground offensive would convince Serbia's Slobodan Milošević to withdraw. Blair had been a major advocate for a ground offensive, which Bill Clinton was reluctant to do, and would order that 50,000 soldiers – most of the available British Army – should be made ready for action."
Marr, Andrew; A History of Modern Britain (2008 printing); page 550

What do I have to prove which is not already established fact? What good would it do me? you always give me the run around, none of you are interested in the truth, only being right. You all absolutely love to play dumb in debate, it is easy to see why kikehunt lost patience with you, and there is no reason why he shouldn't have - you are arrogant beyond belief and show no respect.

Ok so your theory is that reality didn't happen and the sole motivation for the war in kosovo was economic imperialism. War with Serbia marked a sad day for some conflict resolution theorists of the position you seem to be advocating; it was the end of 'Macdonalds Peace Theory'; no two countries with a Macdonalds have declared war on eachother, but there was one in Belgrade.

The result of the war with serbis is:
>WAR - So cuts economic ties with the west.
>the continues sovereignty of Serbia proper.
>the mass destruction of the economic infrustructure.
>Cannot into the EU, because of western demonisation.
So international corporations could better steal the Serbian clay eheheheheheheheh.

I don't see anything sustaining your point here. We all now it was bad, and uncalled for. I still don't see what it has to do with Marxism, or socialism for that matter.

[kikehunt]

Kikehunt, if you guys want, retaliate. All I'm saying it's stupid to expect that doing so will contribute to having any sort of quality discussion. If you sincerely wanted to have a constructive debate, you would respond with maturity, regardless of what you think of the other side's arguments. That or leave.

Yeah, too bad, we are not saints. Why do you presume us to be if you hate us? Again, if you want a debate, say something worthwhile. I did not have any problems answering politely to capitalism_collapse, even though I am your example of evil cruel neo-nazi. He didn't presume some biased, pretentious or hateful position, so I also treat him with respect; that is what he did.

[Red Aegis]

GF, if you read the thread all this started because Confusion was taunting them and I was voicing my disapproval over the apologism for or uninterest in massacres. Then I did in fact try to engage in a real conversation only to have the responses given be ludicrous then my replies avoided and called retarded, then a pointless exchange over an avatar on a political forum as opposed to what I had actually said. I had even tried to keep the thread on-subject several times. Then it devolved into forum aesthetics and associated stupidity.

Guest777, despite his petty asides about looks, has managed to put forth some level of coherency though I disagree with about nearly everything. He or she was at least partially able to stay on topic. Kikehunt makes them all look bad, which is why I'm not reading his posts anymore. It was the trolls like him that 'threw the shit' which is different from expressing moral outrage and disbelief at reactionary statements.

As for maturity, the proof is in the thread. It would look even worse for them if the most reactionary and trollish things were not removed. It is plausible that they could turn it around, but I don't consider that likely. I'm open to being surprised.

[kikehunt]

Kikehunt makes them all look bad, which is why I'm not reading his posts anymore. It was the trolls like him that 'threw the shit' which is different from expressing moral outrage and disbelief at reactionary statements.

Yeah? You're nothing but a joke. Your ideas are laughable and not even worth addressing. Your ideology will remain obscure and you will never accomplish anything. Have fun wallowing in your own filth. I'm done with this shit. Respond all you want, I won't see it.

Here was my original post, it was an article by George Lincoln Rockwell for the stormer. I entered around the time we were debating morality.

My duties as Commanding Officer of a Navy Patrol Squadron in Iceland often took me into the homes of Icelandic officials. On one of these visits, I met a female “do-gooder.” She was so super-nice that she just oozed “love” and sweetness – sickening sweetness.
As with most of these people, she pretended to have not as one ounce of hate in her. But just once, I managed to bring the real nature of these do-gooders to the surface.
I got into an argument with her, backed her into a corner, and saw the flash of naked, savage, murderous rage in her eyes.
She had stated that the physical torture of a human being was never justified, no matter what the circumstances, so; I asked her what she'd do if she were Chief of Police of Reykjavik (the Icelandic capital, where the conversation took place), and she captured a beautiful young girl who admitted being a Communist spy and who then boasted that she had planet a hydrogen bomb, set to go off in five hours, in the middle of Reykjavik.
My charming hostess put on a saintly expression and stated that she'd rather be blown to dust than find out where it was and stop it. I agreed that it was her privilege to die for her principles but I asked her if she thought she also had the right to allow the bomb to kill, burn, main, mutilate, disfigure, agonize and drive insane hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including women and children. Did she have the right to allow her craze for 'love' of ONE person to destroy and torture tens of thousands of other people? When an hour or so of relatively temporary torture of ONE person could save thousands from permanent crippling and thousands of lifetimes of unspeakable agony, what right did she have to chose to indulge her own 'love' theories and let the commie spy go while thousands died?
Was she really becoming a mass torturer of innocents by being too chicken-hearted to get the truth out of one vile killer?
She tried to duck the issue with fancy talk about 'morals' and 'duties.' But I kept forcing her to see that it was a simple choice between torture of one guilty person to save the permanent agonizing torture of thousands.
She kept sweetly insisting that she would never 'hurt' and other human being, no matter how vile. So I drove home the deadly fact that she was actually choosing to hurt tens of thousands because she was a moral coward. Her sweet “do-good” pose suddenly vanished. The sickening little smile changed to a wild eyed look of pure hate, and she spat at me like an angry cat.
“You're not going to trick me with your lies!” she hissed. But the choice I presented to her was no trick; it is the exact choice which now faces humanity.
She reminded me of the religious fanatics who once picketed one of my speeches with signs reading “Love conquers all” and who raged at me, shaking their fists “Rockwell, you are evil!” “Rockwell, you must be killed!”
The fathead liberals who, unlike the scheming Jews and Communists, sincerely believe the coons are our 'equals'; who have been 'kept down' by 'bigotry and prejudice'; are precisely in the same dilemma as the “do-good” lady in Iceland and the religious fanatics threatening to murder me with picket signs reading “Love conquers all.”
When one life-boat is full so that only one more might possibly get aboard without sinking the whole boat and two men must get aboard or drown, the officer in charge of the boat must take only one aboard- and watch the other drown.
It is all very well to talk of brotherhood, sharing, noble character, etc, and there can be no question that these concepts have a very definite place in our society. Without them, we would be dumb beasts.
But on the other hand, when there are two groups struggling for survival and the mathematics and logistics of the situation make it impossible for both groups to survive, then it is the duty of the leader of each group to do everything within his power to secure the survival of his people. Leaders, who at this point become mushy-headed with love and brotherhood for the other group at the expense of their own are traitors. So it has been for a million years of life on this earth, and so it shall always be. There can be no compromise in the ultimate struggle to survive. As long as bare survival is possible for one's own group, it is a mark of nobility and decency to be “the good Samaritan.” But whn one's own group is facing destruction, to play the generous “do-gooder” at the expense of the survival of one's own people is suicidal and treasonous.
So far, the bounty of America has been so stupendous and apparently infinite that we have been able to survive 40 or 50 years of this kind of “do-goodism” on behalf of cannibals, Communist Jews and the very scum of the earth – most of whom happen to be “under privileged” for the same reason that a mongrel horse can't win races. They are unfit to survive and, with infinite wisdom nature would exterminate them by the millions with starvation, disease, cannibalism and the one thousand and one other hazards on this earth for the unfit. The do-gooders and liberals cannot see because they WILL NOT see that the largesse from America's bounty cannot go on forever without utterly destroying the master race of white men who produced the bounty in the first place.
But that is precisely what is happening. The population of the entire earth is almost literally exploding. And the fantastic increase is not in the numbers of the white producers and civilization builders, but in the infinite swarming of the dark biological scum of the earth organized and led by parasitic Jews under Communism.
Only a few more years and the white race will be forced to realize that either we reassert absolute mastery over the earth's teaming biological inferiors or they will overwhelm us like a filthy black plague of locusts.
The time is not far off when a white man who recommends any 'rights' for niggers and other non-whites will be set upon by other white men who finally understand that such “do-goodism” is RACIAL TREASON!

your response was;
nice trolling attempt. I questioned if you even read it.
If you want to restart the thread ten pages later, here is your opportunity.

[kikehunt]

by the way, nice of you guys to have deleted all the posts where I contribute, specifically the ones with the articles, but then save the ones where you get butthurt and complain about it, then I retaliate
I am astounded by the intellectual honesty of you whole lot

[GF]

that was literally, the stupidest delete ever. I did not say anything vulgar, now you are literally just censoring me. I will continue to repost this until you stop deleting it. I call this magic trick copy-paste.

You're fascists. People are going to react to many of your ideas with hostility. I thought you'd be used to that by now. If you're legitimately interested in debate, you should react to what comments you perceive as being immature with maturity, otherwise a thread devolves, into, well, something like this one. Instead many posters from Iron March decided to revert to insults in return, and now are playing the holier than thou game.

>you're fascists
>fascists are subhuman
>that is why we hold you to higher ethical standards

Sorry, you deserved everything you got. If we are acting holier than thou, it is because you consider us to be holier than you. None of us here started bitching, insulting, censoring or posting anything without intellectual content or purpose upon coming here. ALL of you, with the exception of celt, did exactly that. if you want to hold an intellectual debate, that cut out your double standards, censorship, and try actually saying something of value.

I've been very civil with you. I was giving you a chance to perhaps try and get back to some reasonable discussion. Instead you insult us by suggesting all but Celt started "bitching, insulting, censoring or posting anything without intellectual content or purpose". This is absolutely not true. The fact is most of us were very civil to you unless we were legitimately offended by what you were saying or you attacked us. It really says something about your character when I have 10x more respect for the fascist who believed victims of the Norwegian massacre deserved punishment than for you. Come back some time if you want to hold a debate without forcing it to turn into a shithole. Until that time, kindly depart.

[Guest777]

You're fascists. People are going to react to many of your ideas with hostility. I thought you'd be used to that by now. If you're legitimately interested in debate, you should react to what comments you perceive as being immature with maturity, otherwise a thread devolves, into, well, something like this one. Instead many posters from Iron March decided to revert to insults in return, and now are playing the holier than thou game.

That would be justified if this forum did not allow fascists, but for some reason it does. I didn't come here with anything controvertial - I wasn't pretending to be one of you, I came here to agree with another user and contribute my perspective on the issue. because the Admin kept discussing it I stayed, and at that point, yes I think I had a legitimate right to be here and defend myself when I needed to. What I have found though is that with the possible exception of Celtiberian who I still wait on you are all incapable of any kind of discussion. Kikehunt has only ever given what I would consider the appropriate and proper response.

I don't know if "civil" is the word I would describe your involvement here which consisted solely of:
"Why hasn't Guest777 been banned yet?"

I don't see anything sustaining your point here. We all now it was bad, and uncalled for. I still don't see what it has to do with Marxism, or socialism for that matter.

yeah that is just the worst cop out I have ever seen in my life, and it is so clear you didn't even bother to read my response. You waded into a debate and got out of your depth, and now you want out. Fine.
0/10 EXCUSED

[kikehunt]

I've been very civil with you. I was giving you a chance to perhaps try and get back to some reasonable discussion. Instead you insult us by suggesting all but Celt started "bitching, insulting, censoring or posting anything without intellectual content or purpose". This is absolutely not true.

How about some evidence. Asserting the opposite does not count; quote a post please. You fill the complaining category 'y can u not haz civil disurz?' every comment you left. It serves as an attack on US, even if you later clarify that both sides were involved, it is clear that since we are your guests, you should treat us with respect from the start, when that is the opposite of what you did, and then you expect us to uphold standards of etiquette which you do not apply to yourself. Your criticisms of us are absolutely unproductive, and were intended just as that. You are not 'impartial' you implied that we were guilty of misconduct when that is the opposite of what was really happening. So yes, you were bitching. What of it? I offer you to stop and you do not. and then you blame us for ruining the 'debate'

>leftward logic

yeah, sorry, it will not fly

[DSN]

As usual, your 'informed' comments are hypocritical, and are of a passive-aggressive nature. Take a look at any of rev scare's posts for example. Every single one of them screams 'no, no, you're wrong, because you're a fascist, and fascism is ebul' it is desperate and pathetic, and insulting. If you go back in the comments, at least, before butthurt admins started deleting everything, you would see that every single shitstorm was initiated by YOUR members either being complete douchebags or completely stupid. Exhibit one;

Ishkenaz (right after ben's long-ass post)
wow why do you nazis even bother writing your stupid informative posts. just go back to your cesspool.

it was something along those lines. Basically every single post by all of you except celtiberian had that same condescention on some level, be it concealed or explicit. Now you are simply deleting my posts because, vulgar as they may be, they point out your hypocrisy and inconsistency. For example, my posts are deleted for being 'insulting'; read the post by red aegis on this same page. When I pointed out that you should probably delete that too, I am censored. freedumb of speech please. where is muh freedumb of speech?

What's your point here? I didn't say anything about Iron March members starting it; I can't remember (and can't even be bothered to check) how this all kicked off into what it is now. I thought you might appreciate me recognising that there's a load of crap coming from both sides at this stage, and not doing the "lulz u iz a fashist u iz evul" stuff you love hanging onto so much. And I don't actually see what the point is in censoring insults if they're from someone with such a vulgar username anyway, so I don't know why you're bringing that up. I didn't delete your comments. What am I supposed to do? Beg a moderator to restore comments which were obviously stupid insults? I don't know if you realised, but the entire point of my post was to suggest that maybe we should consider bringing this to an end if all we're doing is throwing names at each other and complaining about god knows what. Please tell me, what are you hoping to accomplish on this forum of passive-aggressive faggots who keep deleting your comments? You do understand that your viewpoints clearly are not accepted by the members of this forum participating in the discussion, don't you? This is not going to change any time soon.

[GF]

That would be justified if this forum did not allow fascists, but for some reason it does. I didn't come here with anything controvertial - I wasn't pretending to be one of you, I came here to agree with another user and contribute my perspective on the issue. because the Admin kept discussing it I stayed, and at that point, yes I think I had a legitimate right to be here and defend myself when I needed to. What I have found though is that with the possible exception of Celtiberian who I still wait on you are all incapable of any kind of discussion. Kikehunt has only ever given what I would consider the appropriate and proper response.

I don't know if "civil" is the word I would describe your involvement here which consisted solely of:
"Why hasn't Guest777 been banned yet?"

I would certainly use the word civil to describe it. When I said that I was referring to your assertion that the victims of the massacre in Norway had it coming.

[GF]

How about some evidence. Asserting the opposite does not count; quote a post please. You fill the complaining category 'y can u not haz civil disurz?' every comment you left. It serves as an attack on US, even if you later clarify that both sides were involved, it is clear that since we are your guests, you should treat us with respect from the start, when that is the opposite of what you did, and then you expect us to uphold standards of etiquette which you do not apply to yourself. Your criticisms of us are absolutely unproductive, and were intended just as that. You are not 'impartial' you implied that we were guilty of misconduct when that is the opposite of what was really happening. So yes, you were bitching. What of it? I offer you to stop and you do not. and then you blame us for ruining the 'debate'

>leftward logic

yeah, sorry, it will not fly

Yeah I see what you guys (members of the SP) were talking about. Honestly I have work to do and don't have the time to do a point-by-point refutation. A dieu.

[kikehunt]

What's your point here? I didn't say anything about Iron March members starting it; I can't remember (and can't even be bothered to check) how this all kicked off into what it is now. I thought you might appreciate me recognising that there's a load of crap coming from both sides at this stage, and not doing the "lulz u iz a fashist u iz evul" stuff you love hanging onto so much. And I don't actually see what the point is in censoring insults if they're from someone with such a vulgar username anyway, so I don't know why you're bringing that up. I didn't delete your comments. What am I supposed to do? Beg a moderator to restore comments which were obviously stupid insults? I don't know if you realised, but the entire point of my post was to suggest that maybe we should consider bringing this to an end if all we're doing is throwing names at each other and complaining about god knows what. Please tell me, what are you hoping to accomplish on this forum of passive-aggressive faggots who keep deleting your comments? You do understand that your viewpoints clearly are not accepted by the members of this forum participating in the discussion, don't you? This is not going to change any time soon.

Yeah, except the comments your admins deleted were the ones where I was contributing. You did not delete the ones where you goaded me into retaliation, and I gave you what anyone with common sense would.

I have been insisting that the opposing section stop attacking us and offer some sort of contribution for my last 4-5 posts. What do you want from me? To stop pointing out hypocrisy? I will not.

What can you do? Stop perpetuating the shitstorm. If you have no interest in Ben and Celt's debate, than simply leave. If you are, stop talking about the problems and offer some sort of perspective. If you have none and are actually questioning your politics right now and have no perspective than it may also be good to be quiet and just watch how it plays out. I am here because I am interested in it. I have posted relevant material and comments, though i will not say that I haven't enjoyed trolling those commie faggots you speak of, especially when they literally beg me for it. As ben said himself, there is no separation here. Your divide and conquer tactics won't work, were here with the same ideas and the same purpose. We are not here to justify our lives with some political ambition and show off how fascist we are, the way most of your members are struggling to out-do each other's cumunuzm by saying meanie-words to ebul fascists. If there were insults from our side they did not come as a result of condescension, like yours did, we are here for debate and enjoying ourselves in the process.

[kikehunt]

I would certainly use the word civil to describe it. When I said that I was referring to your assertion that the victims of the massacre in Norway had it coming.

oh noes ebul immoral fascists
I am ttly contributing to discussion and being civil

Yeah I see what you guys (members of the SP) were talking about. Honestly I have work to do and don't have the time to do a point-by-point refutation. A dieu.

than you have no place in this thread and you can stop telling everyone else what they are to do

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