Muslims in Britain

I'm not british, but the combination of economic problems and army of 'mohammads' on your shore seems overwhelming. I ask because I fear my nation - Australia - is heading in a similar direction.

How do you overcome the culture of tolerance - or should i say apathy and hopelessness- in your nation and how can this be redirected into your socialist aims?

Is it a futile attempt? Should we band together as conscious socialists and take a different path to the parts of our nations which are lost?

godlessnorth wrote:I'm not british, but the combination of economic problems and army of 'mohammads' on your shore seems overwhelming. I ask because I fear my nation - Australia - is heading in a similar direction.

How do you overcome the culture of tolerance- or should i say apathy and hopelessness- in your nation and how can this be redirected into your socialist aims?

"The culture of tolerance" is perhaps just manufactured consent, wrought by incessant propaganda and thought policing. In reality, beneath the veneer of good manners and politically correct sentiments there is scant acceptance of the foreigners.

In the collective British subconscious, an association is made between national decline and the influx of immigrants. How legitimate is this association? British capital's reluctance to modernise an aging and decrepit industrial structure and its need for a docile and low-wage workforce have certainly been one propelling force behind mass immigration (though to be fair the search for low-cost labor has also held for France and Germany).

In the process, the social fabric has been rent asunder. These immigrants -- even if the popular will existed -- cannot be assimilated because of inherent differences in disposition and intelligence. What Thilo Sarrazin said about the Turks -- that they're only good for selling fruits and vegetables -- holds for non-white immigrants in general.

Since the popular will to integrate them into society does not exist and because in any case the immigrants are not assimilable into said society, what exists are various immigrant enclaves in the major British cities (London, Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds, etc.). "Divide-and-conquer" becomes even more a ruling-class ploy. And it becomes correspondingly more difficult to get a socialist project off the ground.

hermeticist wrote:"The culture of tolerance" is perhaps just manufactured consent, wrought by incessant propaganda and thought policing. In reality, beneath the veneer of good manners and politically correct sentiments there is scant acceptance of the foreigners.

In the collective British subconscious, an association is made between national decline and the influx of immigrants. How legitimate is this association? British capital's reluctance to modernise an aging and decrepit industrial structure and its need for a docile and low-wage workforce have certainly been one propelling force behind mass immigration (though to be fair the search for low-cost labor has also held for France and Germany).

In the process, the social fabric has been rent asunder. These immigrants -- even if the popular will existed -- cannot be assimilated because of inherent differences in disposition and intelligence. What Thilo Sarrazin said about the Turks -- that they're only good for selling fruits and vegetables -- holds for non-white immigrants in general.

Since the popular will to integrate them into society does not exist and because in any case the immigrants are not assimilable into said society, what exists are various immigrant enclaves in the major British cities (London, Birmingham, Bradford, Leeds, etc.). "Divide-and-conquer" becomes even more a ruling-class ploy. And it becomes correspondingly more difficult to get a socialist project off the ground.

So then cut them off completely? It is possible to limit socialism to a key workforce or area of consent?

godlessnorth wrote:So then cut them off completely? It is possible to limit socialism to a key workforce or area of consent?

*Shrug* -- I don't have easy, cut-and-dried solutions to complex problems rooted in Western history. This being the kind of discussion board it is (rather than SF), I can express ambivalence and doubt. It's not clear to me what the road into the future is. I just don't see the Pakistanis assimilating into British society, nor the Algerians and Moroccans into French, nor the Turks into German. At the same time I've seen enough 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants to understand they live in a limbo: they belong neither in the West (not really being accepted here) nor in the countries of their parents or grandparents (of which they know nothing).