Britain and the EU

Separatist woes
UNDER EU treaties, a new country would have to apply to join the EU. Scotland would have to apply to join the EU if it split away, whatever the SNP says. But the remaining parts of Britain could also then be deemed to be a new country. There is a danger that in the event of a Scottish vote to leave Britain, the EU would seize the opportunity to press a weakened “rest of Britain” to sign up to the whole “acquis communitaire”. That’s all the EU principles including the euro – backed by legislation and court decisions which constitute EU law. The aim for the British working class must be “out of the EU, keep Britain together”. Press for the referendum the ruling class does not want. And expand the one we don’t want to let the whole country vote. http://www.workers.org.uk/

The future of the British Isles? Maybe.

Frankly this is the most likely outcome now the Euro has gone tits up,the indipendance gang have nowhere to go now no mater what the majority of the Scottish people want.

What are the supposed benefits towards Scotland's wellbeing if it gains independence? The only Scottish nationalist I've spoken to myself seemed to be using the history of the English murdering the Scots as the reason behind his views. The whole "I'm Scottish, not British" banner trend seems to be more of an emotional stance than a practical one.

DSN wrote:What are the supposed benefits towards Scotland's wellbeing if it gains independence? The only Scottish nationalist I've spoken to myself seemed to be using the history of the English murdering the Scots as the reason behind his views. The whole "I'm Scottish, not British" banner trend seems to be more of an emotional stance than a practical one.

I'm sure that's probably the case,but hey ho it's up them as apeople.Im not going to pretend to be an economist so my uneducated guess would be that if they had control of the North Sea oil (depending on what Orkneyians and Shetlanders say of course!) the revenues from that coupled with direct profits of Scottish luxury goods alongside its small population they could probably build a nice little welfare state akin to a Scandinavian country,and of course the Scottish bourgeois would do nicely aswell.Now the Euros gone tits up I'd say all bets are off until the European Union becomes a NW European economic/political and probably military block.

DSN wrote:What are the supposed benefits towards Scotland's wellbeing if it gains independence? The only Scottish nationalist I've spoken to myself seemed to be using the history of the English murdering the Scots as the reason behind his views. The whole "I'm Scottish, not British" banner trend seems to be more of an emotional stance than a practical one.

I think this is largely the main inspiration for many Scots seeking independence. Personally I beleive in self determination for all nations, so if any nations of the present UK decided to go their own seperate way I would have no objection. However independence has to mean independence - and not swapping the rule of Westminster for the rule of Brussels or Washington

The Eastleigh by-election has shown that working class people are turning to the right wing and Thatcherite UK Independence Party (UKIP). This shows how those on the left are completely unorganised and unprepared to take the anti-EU stance.
Here is my personal take on the situation
http://rickheyse.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/after-eastleigh.html

I just read the UKIP's Local Manifesto, and I can see why the average Joe would buy into this crap. I laughed at what I saw under their website when I Googled them though:

Libertarian, non-racist party seeking Britain's withdrawal from the European Union.

Do they feel it's necessary to tell us that because of their views on immigration, or are they just sadly desperate for votes?

Fuck UKIP it's just another protest vote,come the next election it'll either be red or blue in power as per.

Move along nothing to see here .

Modgardener wrote:The Eastleigh by-election has shown that working class people are turning to the right wing and Thatcherite UK Independence Party (UKIP). This shows how those on the left are completely unorganised and unprepared to take the anti-EU stance.
Here is my personal take on the situation
http://rickheyse.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/after-eastleigh.html

Cool website, Modgardener! I like Heyse's stances.

CPBM-L Statement:

EU referendum now!

WORKERS, JUL 2013 ISSUE

It is time for a referendum on the European Union. Nobody in Britain under the age of 56 has had a vote on membership of the EU or of its predecessor, the EEC. The Parliamentary parties have often promised a referendum but have always broken their promises, because they represent capitalism and capitalists are afraid to hear the views of the working class.

The EU is the rule of finance capital. It is foreign rule. It is the enemy of Britain’s survival. Yet Parliament has always voted it more and more powers, without ever asking us. It’s time that the British working class put an end to Parliament’s betrayal of Britain.

We the people must stop all the delays, all the lies of reform and renegotiation. We must demand the vote, to express the will of the people in a referendum with one simple question, whether to stay or leave. Democracy means that we take our own decisions, that we take responsibility.

It’s time we focused on the job of rebuilding Britain. Britain can be an independent country outside the EU, forging relations with other countries both in Europe and in the wider world. This is impossible within the EU.

EU referendum now!


From - The Communist Party of Britain, Marxist-Leninist.

Freedom from the EU would be a start,but what about a free England!