Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

B Bill wrote:Well, I know little of Hungary but I know something of Hungarians as my best friend from school is born of parents who came to Britain from Hungary. My friend married a Hungarian gypsy he met when visiting Hungary. They live in Britain and have two sons who are 50% Hungarian and 50% gypsy. Where would these people live in the Hungarian state you imagine? Would the husband live in the larger Hungarian nation and the wife in this 'reservation' you speak of? And what of their sons? Would they be considered 'mixed' and have to live in a reservation of their own? And what of my friends grand children who are born of a half hungarian, half gypsy father and an English mother? Would there be a home for them in your new Hungary?

What about Hungarians of Vojvodina in Serbia? Would they be welcomed into your new Hungary or would you expect Serbia to create 'reservations' for them to live in? Or would you expect Serbia to cede lands which are home to significant Hungarian populations to your new Hungary?

B Bill wrote:There are many examples through history of the sort of population transfers you advocate. Of the top of my head I can think of those in India following it's independance from Britain, those in Fascist Italy, the transfer of native Americans to reservations, those between Turkey and Greece in the 20's and, of course, the recent situation in fromer Yugoslavia. Each case is marked by it's inhumane and brutal treatment of people. Imparctical, for one, because such treatment of people leaves a legacy of bitterness lasting for generations, sometimes leading to conflict. How do you propose transfering several million unwilling people from Britain without authoritairianism? In fact, how would it be done if not, ultimately, at gun point? Do you want Class war or Race war?

I disagree that the non-whites who came here since the 50's, their children, grand children and great grand children have not assimilated. Most have, although I would agree that some haven't this is, in most cases, the fault of the capitalist system which works best when it's workers are divided along lines of race and or religion rather than united as a class.

I am still at a loss to understand the cultural, linguistic and ethnic erosion you claim is happening in Britain that is caused by the presence of non-whites. Could you please give examples?

In the city I come from and most other large popullation centres there are suburbs with a distinct Irish culture where the decendants of people who came here in the 50's still live in the same streets that their great grand parents settled. They maintain a distinct culture which is most certainly 'non-indiginous' and, indeed, alien to Britain. To a certain degree and to certain people, this is almost invisible;- but of course, these people are white. Perhaps it is skin colour which concerns you most in this matter?

Rebel Warrior 59 wrote:Im not British so I cant answer your question ( since I barely know anything about your country). Not to mention I could honestly care less about what Britain does with its immigrants.

But since you seem to be asking in general, I will say what I think should be done in my homeland. I would like to see all Non Hungarian immigration to Hungary be banned. I would also like to see every single Slovak, Romanian, Serbian, Jewish, Chinese, Arab, and Negro person sent back to their home country. I know most people on here will hate me for writing this but that is my opinion. These groups ( as a whole) are simply nuisances at best and national security threats at worst ( especially in the case of Slovaks, Romanians, and Serbs). As for Gypsies, I would have them live in their own autonomous reservations ( since they cant be deported anywhere). I would let some national minorities stay ( such as Germans and Slovenes) but they would be regarded as guests and not citizens. Only an ethnically Hungarian person could be a Hungarian citizen. These are my ( pretty extreme I must say) views on immigration and multiculturalism.

B Bill wrote:I don't understand what you mean by saying our ancient culture, language and ethnicity is being eroded. Neither culture, language or ethnicity are static things, they evolve, develope and change constantly. Culture and language change by the decade whereas ethnicitys change may take millenia but never the less they are not static. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you but it would be helpful if you could give examples of this erosion and demonstrate how it is caused by the presence of non-white (because that's what you appear to be talking about) people.

As Admin seems to share my concerns about the sort of changes you advocate perhaps you could address the impracticality, inhumanity, brutality and authoritairianism required to carry out these changes. Do you not think these are characteristics a 'good leftist' should reject?

Also, you characterise non-whites as 'newcomers' when in fact most were born in this country and have family roots going back over half a century and several generations in Britain. How long/many generations before they become acceptable, if ever?

I am afraid I have to reject your claim that 'newcomers' are 'supported' by capitalists. The overwhelming majority are workers like any other and exploited by, not supported by capitalists.

To one extent or another, all politics begin with the personal. Do you not think you are putting your personal feelings about black people (that they erode your language, culture and ethnicity) before the greater good of the working class of this country?

B Bill wrote:I've spent several hours over the past few days reading this forum and have a few basic questions.

It appears that most people here are opposed to both mass immigration and multi culturalism. What does that mean in practice in a country like mine (Britain) which has seen massive immigration and which is, by default 'multi cultural'?

Are those who aren't indiginous British to leave the country?

TheRedSquirrel wrote:Compulsary social conformation or repatriation of all non-indigenous. An island like Britain is too small to allow anything else, if we don't convert them then their high birth rate - a common trait of their foreign cultures - will swamp us, and if not us, then definitely our children.

I hark at any so-called patriotic Briton who believes in giving immigrants their own autunomous communities, this is what the Liberals & Capitalists are doing now! There's no surer way of annihilating the future of our folk than this.

TheRedSquirrel wrote:Compulsary social conformation or repatriation of all non-indigenous. An island like Britain is too small to allow anything else, if we don't convert them then their high birth rate - a common trait of their foreign cultures - will swamp us, and if not us, then definitely our children.

There's no surer way of annihilating the future of our folk than this.

B Bill wrote:I don't understand what you mean by saying our ancient culture, language and ethnicity is being eroded. Neither culture, language or ethnicity are static things, they evolve, develope and change constantly. Culture and language change by the decade whereas ethnicitys change may take millenia but never the less they are not static. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you but it would be helpful if you could give examples of this erosion and demonstrate how it is caused by the presence of non-white (because that's what you appear to be talking about) people.