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Post by Altair Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:48 pm

“The 15 or 20 minutes of the incident, I was driving the bus. The girl was screaming, ‘Help me, help me.’ The juvenile put his hand in her and pulled out something. It was her intestines …We dragged her to the front of the bus and threw her out.”



On this Sunday, 16 December 2012, Jyoti, a name that means light and happiness, had just completed her medical exams to become a doctor. Speaking excellent English, she spent nights working in a call centre from 8pm until 4am, slept for three hours, then studied. Her ambition was to build and run a hospital in her family’s village. “A girl can do anything,” she would say.

But that evening, in Delhi, she decided to go to the cinema to see The Life of Pi with a male friend. At 8.30pm, on the way home, the pair got into an off-duty charter bus. India’s Daughter, a powerful, brave and heart-wrenching documentary made by Leslee Udwin, provokes grief and anger but also pity for the ignorance. It charts what then happened on that moving bus as Jyoti was brutally raped by five men and a 17-year-old (“the juvenile”), eviscerated, then thrown on to the street. It shows how for the next 30 days across India, women and men demonstrated on the streets of the country’s cities, calling for the equality recognised in India’s constitution but never delivered, marking what a former solicitor general, Gopal Subramaniam, calls in the film “a momentous expression of hope for society”.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/01/indias-daughter-documentary-rape-delhi-women-indian-men-attitudes?CMP=share_btn_fb

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Nirbhaya-gang-rape-convict-blames-victim-for-the-fatal-assault/articleshow/46433506.cms?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=TOI
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Post by Rev Scare Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:12 pm

How is this incident an indication of "rape culture" at all? The fact that it has been so widely publicized, not only in India, but across the world, is an indication of anything but. Why is teaching women how to avoid potentially dangerous situations considered "blaming the victim"? That is ridiculous feminist nonsense. The fact of the matter is that there are ways for women to minimize their risk of becoming victims of sexual assault, and this information should definitely be promoted, not suppressed.

"Teaching rapists not to rape" is such a stupid slogan. It makes no more sense than "teaching thieves not to steal." Instead of locking our doors at night, we should tell burglars not to burglarize. Idealist twaddle. Most rapists, just like most murderers and criminals in general, understand that what they are doing is immoral, but guess what? They do not care. Sociopaths know what is and is not immoral. Do you know what happens to real rapists in the real Third World? They are brutally tortured before death.

Indian girl, 7, found hanging from tree; enraged mob kills suspected rapist.

The suspected (i.e., without the possibility of defending himself in a court of law) rapist was lynched outright by an angry mob. That is a much more accurate reflection of how societies deal with rape, not this rape culture horseshit.

All you are doing is vilifying decent working class men by comparing them to rapists (and infantilizing women), by placing the average man's behavior on a "spectrum of rape." It is vile and irrational. A much more plausible social phenomenon is false rape accusation culture. It is pitiful how much you've been taken in by tumblr feminist propaganda, Altair, like a proper tumblrette.
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Post by Altair Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:17 pm

Because linking an article about a documentary/story about women being raped and murdered is vilifying all men, right. Try again.

PS. an op-ed article isn't the best source to use. Maybe try a national organization, like RAINN or the FBI, which I have cited in the past.


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Post by Rev Scare Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:20 pm

No, you are deflecting my argument. Linking to one story and associating it with feminist rape culture theory is ludicrous. Nice of you to thumb me down. It is not petty at all, and it certainly doesn't reflect poorly on a feminist's ability to sustain legitimate criticism. Pathetic.

P.S. FBI rape statistics do not support the idea that rape is prevalent, and RAINN's figures are based almost exclusively on the CDC's poorly implemented study. RAINN is an advocacy group, anyway, so it is not an unbiased source. However, RAINN itself rejects the idea of rape culture. Nice try, though.
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