Wat Tyler - a man to remember and inspire us

http://rickheyse.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/wat-tyler-remember-him-and-be-inspired.html

Sounds like the English Florian Geyer, a true national hero for the peasant and common people.

Thank you for sharing this bit of English history.

Thank you Pantheon. This is the type of peoples patriotism I try to promote here in England. All too often when people think of patriotism it is all about celebrating imperialism and royalty. Yet in reality these have suppressed the ordianry people for centuries. I cannot see how the working classes gained any benefit from the British Empire, yet there were those in the upper and ruling classes who definitely benefitted.

It is people such as Wat Tyler who we need to look to in efforts to create a 'peoples patriotism' as opposed to a pomp and glory version based on misguided loyalties.

Modgardener wrote:Thank you Pantheon. This is the type of peoples patriotism I try to promote here in England. All too often when people think of patriotism it is all about celebrating imperialism and royalty. Yet in reality these have suppressed the ordianry people for centuries. I cannot see how the working classes gained any benefit from the British Empire, yet there were those in the upper and ruling classes who definitely benefitted.

Imperialism and empire building is cosmopolitan by nature, so in my own opinion it is hard for one to be a true nationalist and support it.

It is people such as Wat Tyler who we need to look to in efforts to create a 'peoples patriotism' as opposed to a pomp and glory version based on misguided loyalties.

Agreed. We need to be looking for our national heroes on the home front. May I ask your opinion on "The Diggers" or True Levellers? They were brought up on this forum before which caused me to look into them, and it seemed to me to be another very early form of socialist patriotism.

there will always be patriotism in accordance to class struggle. It's just that there are certain sectors tend to bastardise the idea of the revolt of the poor, progressivism, revolution in order to preserve the status quo. How can there be a revolution and a national renaissance yet the status quo still preserved? Of fighting against the oligarchs without dismantling the rotten social order evenly?