Traditional Values, Gender, and Socialism

I want to summarize what I believe and stand for.

I want a community free of social degenerates and I would like to achieve this by encouraging Normal human behavior. The exile of transsexuals would not even need to be necessary in this case. I will not accept the encouragement of rational behavior as harsh or unjustified. The liberal Ideology has alienated my community from its core values and I want to get back to my roots.

Celtiberian wrote:Wrong. You didn't explicitly include transsexualism in your question, which is why I didn't address it. Once again, I don't consider transsexualism to be a social pathology; it is a benign lifestyle.

I thought the fact that we have been debating transsexuals for the past 3 pages would make it unnecessary to mentioned it in that sentence.

Can you prove that it is?

http://biology.about.com/od/basicgenetics/p/chromosgender.htm
Would you rather accept a feeling someone has as fact, or rational evidence?

That article is talking about sex. The articles that I cited talked about gender. Did you even read the scientific one or the articles that were cited in it? I do not think that you did. Either way, I find it insulting that you would post such a basic article on the determination of sex typed in a manner suited for sixth grade biology. Please take this discussion more seriously or I shall stop responding.

Red Aegis wrote:That article is talking about sex. The articles that I cited talked about gender. Did you even read the scientific one or the articles that were cited in it? I do not think that you did. Either way, I find it insulting that you would post such a basic article on the determination of sex typed in a manner suited for sixth grade biology. Please take this discussion more seriously or I shall stop responding.

Me taking this not serious? You're the one posting transsexuals opinion as fact. Gender=Sex

Random789654 wrote:I want a community free of social degenerates and I would like to achieve this by encouraging Normal human behavior.

What qualifies as "social degeneration" is entirely subjective, ergo, unless serious societal repercussions can be demonstrated to derive from individual actions, they should not be legislated against. There were moments in contemporary history wherein certain parents were claiming that rock music and violent video games were prime sources of social degeneration. Fortunately, they were not permitted to completely ban either.

I will not accept the encouragement of rational behavior as harsh or unjustified.

What you're promoting is not "rational behavior"; it's infantile and arbitrary censorship.

The liberal Ideology has alienated my community from its core values and I want to get back to my roots.

And what "core values" would those be?

I thought the fact that we have been debating transsexuals for the past 3 pages would make it unnecessary to mentioned it in that sentence.

You specifically asked how socialism could remedy social pathologies, and I explained how. It should have been evident to you, prior to even asking the question, that I don't consider transsexualism to be a social malady.

http://biology.about.com/od/basicgenetics/p/chromosgender.htm
Would you rather accept a feeling someone has as fact, or rational evidence?

I accept someone's stated feelings as being a fairly accurate representation of their mental processes. Transsexualism is a psychological abnormality, as you well know. Posting a link describing the biology of sex differences is pointless to the subject at hand. No one would "choose" to be a transsexual, and you've not presented any evidence to suggest otherwise. Nor have you explained how the presence of a miniscule number of transsexuals in society is somehow detrimental to our culture.

Either debate properly or opt out of the discussion, Random. I find it amusing how you consistently blather about "rationality" when you fail to interpret even the most lucid responses logically. You are wasting time arguing in circles, as you have failed entirely to address any of Celtiberian's numerous points of argument. You are an ideologue and nothing more. Do not attempt to erect some veneer of logical integrity. Your entire argument rests in the petty emotions of a teenager.

Celtiberian wrote:What qualifies as "social degeneration" is entirely subjective, ergo, unless serious societal repercussions can be demonstrated to derive from individual actions, they should not be legislated against. There were moments in contemporary history wherein certain parents were claiming that rock music and violent video games were prime sources of social degeneration. Fortunately, they were not permitted to completely ban either.

Everything is subjective if we make it, How about we get a list of things we find Degenerate and share them? I'm pretty sure we would have a lot of common ground.

What you're promoting is not "rational behavior"; it's infantile and arbitrary censorship.

So encouraging good human behavior is now infantile and arbitrary censorship?

And what "core values" would those be?

Woah, you didn't tell me my core values are subjective.

I accept someone's stated feelings as being a fairly accurate representation of their mental processes. Transsexualism is a psychological abnormality, as you well know. Posting a link describing the biology of sex differences is pointless to the subject at hand. No one would "choose" to be a transsexual, and you've not presented any evidence to suggest otherwise. Nor have you explained how the presence of a miniscule number of transsexuals in society is somehow detrimental to our culture.

Depression is also a psychological abnormality, I think the fact that it is just that makes it detrimental to society. We can treat a psychological abnormality almost as an illness.

Yes, your core values are subjective, like everything else.

You're not just talking about encouraging behaviors that you arbitrarily define as 'good' or 'bad'. What you are doing is advocating legislating, which implies punishment for something that is not even a 'bad' thing.

Random789654 wrote:Depression is also a psychological abnormality, I think the fact that it is just that makes it detrimental to society. We can treat a psychological abnormality almost as an illness.

Hmm, so let me see you are claiming that transexualism is simply a psychological abnormality, as depression and probably any other form of mental illness. All these can be treated no doubt through a re-education course that includes rigorous exercise and cold showers.

Random789654 wrote:Depression is also a psychological abnormality, I think the fact that it is just that makes it detrimental to society. We can treat a psychological abnormality almost as an illness.

You do not seem to understand that simply because a factor deviates significantly from a social mean does not immediately render it negative or worthy of censorship and repression. "Abnormal" is not synonymous with flawed or harmful.