New parties started

I have started several organisations and parties. I shall tell you their address for you to share in, some of the language are in swedish, some in english:
http://nationalbolsjevikisksamlingssida.blogspot.com
http://joseph-stalin-church.blogspot.com
Welcome to email questions, membership requests and so on. I myself (new at this chat) are a totalitarianist, national bolshevik and stalinist, (ex marxist-leninist before), from one of Europes leading countries, famous for their soviet-like dictatorship. NB is growing internationally, and I try to catch the few scandinavians on my website. Sweden is also proud neighbour to St Petersburg Russia across the sea and Kaliningrad. I have created other orgs such as
http://barentsseamovement.blogspot.com
aswell. I will from my point of view chat on this forum, join my parties and I'll see you on this chat! / Gabriel (Diktatur)

I think that it's pretty pathetic that you have a church of Stalin.

Red Aegis wrote:I think that it's pretty pathetic that you have a church of Stalin.

My sentiment exactly.

Do you like Hitler, OP? We don't like Nazis.

Words fail me.

What motivated you to abandon Marxism-Leninism in favor of National Bolshevism? Why are you supportive of authoritarianism, exactly? I'm genuinely curious.

Thank you for your reply, I like Hitler yes, he and Stalin Russia had a friendship-pact if you remember, one of NBs leading moments, others are DDR and so on. As a ex-traditional communist from the extremist party of my country, I thought they, as old leninist-stalinists, had moved (are the situation the same in your countries?) to trotskyism, on islamic stuff that I dont give a fuck about, like if we werent starving in the west! That trotskyism made me a "racist" and other coinsidence made me check out the neonazis on the net, seemingly clever once checked (try it!), and I started to call me a fascist, for a while, a lightweight version on the extremist nazi I cannot say. The left does nowadays only care for foreign issues, and stopped being stalinists; liberalized, middleway-trendy, moved right, while I was a hardcore-stalinist after "childhoods" leninism. I'm always searching for the extremism that is the most limited.

Diktatur wrote:I like Hitler yes, he and Stalin Russia had a friendship-pact if you remember, one of NBs leading moments

Surely you realize that the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was a pragmatic decision made by both parties to delay a war which they understood was inevitably going to arise between them? Joseph Stalin disdained fascism and, aside from suppressing fascist cells within the Soviet Union, even had the quasi-National Bolshevik Nikolay Ustryalov executed. Likewise, Adolf Hitler loathed communism and did his utmost to destroy the ideology and associated movements in Germany and abroad.

And why do you "like" Hitler anyway? The man was a genocidal reactionary.

As a ex-traditional communist from the extremist party of my country, I thought they, as old leninist-stalinists, had moved (are the situation the same in your countries?) to trotskyism, on islamic stuff that I dont give a fuck about, like if we werent starving in the west!

Most of the communist organizations in the United States are cosmopolitan and heavily involved with fringe identity politics, though only a few of them identify with Trotskyism.

Perhaps you should consider looking into Socialism Självständighet and Rörelsen för Vänsternationellt. They are both decent nationalistic communist groups from your country.

other coinsidence made me check out the neonazis on the net, seemingly clever once checked (try it!)

I have. There's absolutely nothing "clever" about them—unless, of course, you're impressed by inaccurate reductionist theories of biology and sociology, and indefensible authoritarian doctrines.

The left does nowadays only care for foreign issues, and stopped being stalinists

While I agree that the Left has shifted its attention to counterproductive causes in recent decades, its rejection of Stalinism was completely understandable given the events of the 20th century.

I'm always searching for the extremism that is the most limited.

Why are you so attracted to extremist views?

Its great to see the movement grown (of course most of you will disagree, and probably beat me to death for calling him a member of ''our'' movement), we have to remember that we all shared exact same ridiculous ideas once, many of us including myself were ''Neo-nazis'' once.

Comrades! I understand why you feel that he has to explain his beliefs, but remember! This is not revleft, or stormfront! We don't bash, and get rid of everyone who might not share same ideas as we do, let us welcome him and engage in civilized discussion.

As my own past shows, we have to give him time.

I agree actually. I never wanted him to leave but I don't think that anyone can be blamed for not taking a Church of Stalin seriously or in a welcoming manner. Maybe if he wasn't preaching in a way, we would have been a bit gentler. That and his name did not bode well. That said, I would treat him fairly if he decides to post again.

WodzuUK wrote:Comrades! I understand why you feel that he has to explain his beliefs, but remember! This is not revleft, or stormfront! We don't bash, and get rid of everyone who might not share same ideas as we do, let us welcome him and engage in civilized discussion.

Which is precisely why the moderator staff hasn't banned him and why I am attempting to engage in a discussion with him regarding his political views. I don't think he's a terrible person for believing what he does, I just think his views are misguided.

Stalin and Hitler were buddies alright, I have the picture to prove it...



In all honesty, OP, have you considered alternatives to both Stalinism and Hitlerism? As you know, Stalin himself wasn't very fond of certain National-Bolsheviks himself which shows by his execution of Ustryalov.

Why I like Hitler is because I'm a dictatorship-totalitarianism and 4 ideologys are for fascist-dictatorship: nazism, fascism, stalinism and nationalbolshevism. Hitler also did an amazing job to make the poor workingclass of his country proud of their work as important for the nation, and Hitler, himself a lumpen proletarian at times, did a communism revolution by getting rid of the rich jews of Germany that was above him, he revolutioned from underground, that is communism. I am in touch with the NC-movement in Sweden yes. The pact was not war-moves but leeding to the 4-pact with Italy and Japan - Hitler tried to get Soviet into the Japan-pact but as Stalin said no, not to aggressivoke the west, Hitler started the war, accidenticly. All stalinists must accept the 4-countries-Hitler-pact as an event.

My country (Sweden) seems to think like US obviostly does: Stalin is "embarasing" and "unaccepteble". Why would that be, when he industrialized the perfect proletarian paradise; a huge nation of proud workers, and killed all of proletarians enemys? The only ones who got killed where workers enemys, and workers where protected. Soldiers, farmers, factoryworkers, bolshevikmembers. Stalin, the factoryworkers son, was the only true proletarianborn communist, and why not **** someone (as embarassing insted) who proletarianized the countries? Are you unfamiliair of Stalins biography, from his inprisoned youth til his mineworkers-choosed politburo til his soliders-sons. If you reed a bit on Stalin, he comes across as not so dangerous, if you arent his enemy to feel threatened - middleclassleft.

Just because you like Totalitarianism why would you support hitler?
Hitler's few accomplishments to help ethnic germans are easily hidden under a massive pile of failures within the system of government. His regime was most definetly not communist, he was too busy purging Strasserites, Communists, and really anyone else who embraces the left.
Replacing rich jews doesn't accomplish much, all that did was replace them with rich Germans. How is this any better? It is the same problem, just a different ethnicity, the only undeniable part of your theories is that there are lots of extremely wealthy jews that control a good bit of the world's economy in some way or form.

Also how is the war accidental? Simply because Hitler proposed a pact doesn't mean that the war that followed afterwards is accidental simply because he tried to turn his ideological opponent into an ally to save him from a two front war, which he started on his own anyways.

Also to say that Stalin's USSR is a proletarian paradise is a joke. There isn't even any point of me explaining why, I cannot even fathom how you can believe suc h a thing.

It is right to say that Stalin's USSR was no proletarian paradise though it is worthwhile to point out that that fact can not be entirely attributed to Comrade Stalin making some faulty decisions himself. The USSR was also developing in a unique and hostile climate, which came down particularly hard on the newly liberated working class. No need to start a debate here, just adding onto Balkan Beast's post.

While Stalin's merits should not be overlooked (and in fact, his political and theoretical contributions and successes are well-documented), it is undeniable that he was anti-democratic, abusive of power, and severely repressive during his rule. In opposition to both Marxist and Leninist orthodoxy, Stalin welcomed and took brazen strides to facilitate the establishment of a cult of personality around his figure. He was very much an opportunist. Needless to say, Mao shared many of his flawed characteristics.

It is simply too dangerous to allow an "elite" and unrestrained minority to assume power in the name of the working class. The dictatorship of the proletariat, or the seizure of the state by the proletariat, must be fundamentally democratic in character. Thus, while I believe in the necessity of a vanguard party, said organization cannot be detached from and unaccountable to the working masses.

Diktatur, Stalin himself would send people like you to Siberia. Fuck totalitarian fetishism masquerading as communism!

I'm shocked!

I don't know why some people self-described as "National Bolsheviks", if they don't know what is National Bolshevism.

National Bolshevism is NOT nazism + stalinism.

National Bolsheviks hate Hitler!!!

Let's read about Ernst Niekisch! He was persecuted by Nazi Regime! He was imprisoned in nazi concentration camp!

Let's read about the role of the Jews in National Bolshevik movement for example about Fritz Wolffheim