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Why the "Occupy Wall Street" Initiative is Failing
One could argue that there are a multitude of reasons for this. However, I would say that the most decisive factor is the composition of the protesters themselves. Far from being a quintessential representation of a discontented working class, a majority of the protestors appear to be part of the usual assemblage of middle class and upper class university students, hipsters, aging hippies, etc. In other words, the archetypal 'left-wing' scenesters and professional protesters. As many of us know, the subcultural character of this body is only capable of galvanizing those who already fall into the aforementioned demographics — which just so happen to be quantitatively and qualitatively inconsequential. Ordinary working people see this group and are instinctively repulsed by its superficial quality.
The only salvageable element of this effort may be its populist foundation. However, even that may be too vague to generate anything more than idle support.
The only salvageable element of this effort may be its populist foundation. However, even that may be too vague to generate anything more than idle support.
Photos from the 'front line':
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Reminds me of the 'Anti Nuclear' protests of recent years. Hippie types wrapped in sheets lying about acting dead.
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I have never entertained the notion of aligning ourselves with such gaudy middle and upper class waste. I am not averse to the possibility of collaborating with dedicated working class activists, but as we represent a new movement entirely, our pursuits should be directed in a serious capacity designed to attract the working class population by addressing genuine issues of concern.
I have also never quite understood what the purpose of the ridiculous displays presented by typical "left-wing" protestors served to accomplish politically, but then I came to realize that they do nothing toward that end and that the true aim of these spectacles is to provide an outlet for the frustration within bourgeois culture. We must remember that the participants constitute the afterbirth of the New Left, which abandoned even the pretension of revolution and accommodated itself to the establishment; indeed, it was born of the bourgeois establishment. They represent the public outburst of bourgeois contradictions. The entailed struggle lies between those who wish to retain the stolid and indifferent face of traditional bourgeois culture and those who wish to efface it in favor of a more "humanitarian" image. They claim to speak on behalf of the poor and oppressed, but in actuality they speak on behalf of their own cheap bourgeois morality within the context of a capitalist crisis.
More photographs from the "front":
Notice how there is an absence of true anti-capitalist sentiment and instead merely a prodding for capitalism to favor one particular course.
I have also never quite understood what the purpose of the ridiculous displays presented by typical "left-wing" protestors served to accomplish politically, but then I came to realize that they do nothing toward that end and that the true aim of these spectacles is to provide an outlet for the frustration within bourgeois culture. We must remember that the participants constitute the afterbirth of the New Left, which abandoned even the pretension of revolution and accommodated itself to the establishment; indeed, it was born of the bourgeois establishment. They represent the public outburst of bourgeois contradictions. The entailed struggle lies between those who wish to retain the stolid and indifferent face of traditional bourgeois culture and those who wish to efface it in favor of a more "humanitarian" image. They claim to speak on behalf of the poor and oppressed, but in actuality they speak on behalf of their own cheap bourgeois morality within the context of a capitalist crisis.
More photographs from the "front":
Notice how there is an absence of true anti-capitalist sentiment and instead merely a prodding for capitalism to favor one particular course.
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Rev Scare wrote:I have never entertained the notion of aligning ourselves with such gaudy middle and upper class waste. I am not averse to the possibility of collaborating with dedicated working class activists, but as we represent a new movement entirely, our pursuits should be directed in a serious capacity designed to attract the working class population by addressing genuine issues of concern.
I have also never quite understood what the purpose of the ridiculous displays presented by typical "left-wing" protestors served to accomplish politically, but then I came to realize that they do nothing toward that end and that the true aim of these spectacles is to provide an outlet for the frustration within bourgeois culture. We must remember that the participants constitute the afterbirth of the New Left, which abandoned even the pretension of revolution and accommodated itself to the establishment; indeed, it was born of the bourgeois establishment. They represent the public outburst of bourgeois contradictions. The entailed struggle lies between those who wish to retain the stolid and indifferent face of traditional bourgeois culture and those who wish to efface it in favor of a more "humanitarian" image. The claim to speak on behalf of the poor and oppressed, but in actuality they speak on behalf of their own cheap bourgeois morality within the context of a capitalist crisis.
More photographs from the "front":
Notice how there is an absence of true anti-capitalist sentiment, but instead merely a prodding for capitalism to favor one particular course.
Yes, you're exactly right, but you've got to admit. "Top 1%, y u no pay taxes?!" is pretty goddamn funny.
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You should have titled this thread "How to Lose (and Lose All Respect) at Politics".
These pictures show what most working class Americans think of as symbolizing the "Left". They're not dumb. It's true! That is what much of today's fake "Left" really is. Notice the similarities between this and your outrageously flaming gay pride parades. Bunch of middle class attention whores! At best, they're looking to martyr themselves with a night in jail...not because they lifted a hostile hand to Wall Street, but because they pathetically sat on their asses in the way of ingress and egress for a few minutes before the police scooped them out of their "Left" scene photo-op.
Does this change things? Compare this to recent uprisings that have taken place in the Arab region, in southern Europe, and in the UK. For all the faults and lackings of those uprisings from below, at least they were actually serious revolts FROM BELOW, and their mistakes are more understandable because of the great crisis of revolutionary proletarian leadership.
But then look at these fucking pathetic middle class Leftie-scenester weinies "protesting" in the richest imperialist countries. That is supposedly the "vanguard"! I wish I was kidding, but that shows just how bad the crisis of leadership really is, just how degenerate and alien the faux-left is.
Look at them crawling on their hands and knees, as if they were hoping the billionaires and their politicians and policemen would come down to do them doggie-style in public! What still-sane working class folks can respect this Leftie-scenester stuff?
Now I better add that of course we shouldn't side with the powers-that-be against these Leftie-scenester idiots. But there is a reason I didn't rush to go to this event.
These pictures show what most working class Americans think of as symbolizing the "Left". They're not dumb. It's true! That is what much of today's fake "Left" really is. Notice the similarities between this and your outrageously flaming gay pride parades. Bunch of middle class attention whores! At best, they're looking to martyr themselves with a night in jail...not because they lifted a hostile hand to Wall Street, but because they pathetically sat on their asses in the way of ingress and egress for a few minutes before the police scooped them out of their "Left" scene photo-op.
Does this change things? Compare this to recent uprisings that have taken place in the Arab region, in southern Europe, and in the UK. For all the faults and lackings of those uprisings from below, at least they were actually serious revolts FROM BELOW, and their mistakes are more understandable because of the great crisis of revolutionary proletarian leadership.
But then look at these fucking pathetic middle class Leftie-scenester weinies "protesting" in the richest imperialist countries. That is supposedly the "vanguard"! I wish I was kidding, but that shows just how bad the crisis of leadership really is, just how degenerate and alien the faux-left is.
Look at them crawling on their hands and knees, as if they were hoping the billionaires and their politicians and policemen would come down to do them doggie-style in public! What still-sane working class folks can respect this Leftie-scenester stuff?
Now I better add that of course we shouldn't side with the powers-that-be against these Leftie-scenester idiots. But there is a reason I didn't rush to go to this event.
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Godfaesten wrote:Yes, you're exactly right, but you've got to admit. "Top 1%, y u no pay taxes?!" is pretty goddamn funny.
That depends upon what type of message you wish to convey: that serious issues are a joke or that they are indeed relevant. What is with the silly V for Vendetta masks? Do these individuals think of themselves as "revolutionaries" of some sort?
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Rev Scare wrote:That depends upon what type of message you wish to convey: that serious issues are a joke or that they are indeed relevant. What is with the silly V for Vendetta masks? Do these individuals think of themselves as "revolutionaries" of some sort?
That's the general idea. It has pretty much come to epitomize everything that is wrong with the current state of "left-wing" politics. Whenever the Guy Fawkes masks come out, you can expect anything but revolutionary action.
With respect to the 'meme' signs, etc., I think that such things emblematic of the petite-bourgeois nature of these demonstrations. Working class rights are some novelty that needn't be treated seriously. Sure, we can all have a laugh at such things, but what sort of message does that convey to our oppressors?
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It's sad that Warren Buffett has probably done more this year to actually and seriously raise class consciousness in America than all of these 'Occupy Wall Street' Leftie-scenester freaks combined.
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The bourgeoisie is surely trembling at the sight of the Halloween masks, drum circles, and freegans holding signs with slogans as "radical" as Obama campaign rhetoric.
The revolution is imminent now, comrades..
The revolution is imminent now, comrades..
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By late morning on Wednesday, Occupy Wall Street, a noble but fractured and airy movement of rightly frustrated young people, had a default ambassador in a half-naked woman who called herself Zuni Tikka. A blonde with a marked likeness to Joni Mitchell and a seemingly even stronger wish to burrow through the space-time continuum and hunker down in 1968, Ms. Tikka had taken off all but her cotton underwear and was dancing on the north side of Zuccotti Park, facing Liberty Street, just west of Broadway. Tourists stopped to take pictures; cops smiled, and the insidiously favorable tax treatment of private equity and hedge-fund managers was looking as though it would endure.
“I’ve been waiting for this my whole life,” Ms. Tikka, 37, told me.
“This,” presumably was the opportunity to air societal grievances as carnival. Occupy Wall Street, a diffuse and leaderless convocation of activists against greed, corporate influence, gross social inequality and other nasty byproducts of wayward capitalism not easily extinguishable by street theater, had hoped to see many thousands join its protest and encampment, which began Sept. 17. According to the group, 2,000 marched on the first day; news outlets estimated that the number was closer to several hundred.
By Wednesday morning, 100 or so stalwarts were making the daily, peaceful trek through the financial district, where their movements were circumscribed by barricades and a heavy police presence. (Various arrests for disorderly conduct were made.) By Thursday, the number still sleeping in Zuccotti Park, the central base of operations, appeared to be dwindling further.More
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I stumbled upon this forum after typing "occupy wallstreet is failing" into Google. I just wanted to post to tell you how wonderful it feels to know that there are like-minded individuals out there, with beautiful rhetoric I might add.
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GMG wrote:I stumbled upon this forum after typing "occupy wallstreet is failing" into Google. I just wanted to post to tell you how wonderful it feels to know that there are like-minded individuals out there, with beautiful rhetoric I might add.
Yeah, honestly these trendy left guys are as annoying as the Tea Party folks. Only difference is the jokes on trendy left signs tend to be slightly funnier.
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Seems similar to the Peace camp near downing street that began as protest against the Iraq war It started strong but after while all the Middle class students and old Hippies packed up and went home and as far as im aware Its down to one very old smelly hippy now and a few that come and go.Id imagen a lot of these types are now at Dale farm.
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Latest news:
The NYPD have begun assaulting and arresting many of the protesters. There has been no response from the demonstrators. This looks like the end of the 'occupation'.
The NYPD have begun assaulting and arresting many of the protesters. There has been no response from the demonstrators. This looks like the end of the 'occupation'.
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I'm reading the RevLeft threads on this "Occupy Wall Street' faux-left hippie-fest.
Threads like "Occupy Wall Street--Is shit about to get real?"
Besides this really dumb question from yet another petty bourgeois oriented virtual-leftie scenester---who seems to think things only 'get real' when American middle class leftist scene freaks and their hippie liberal friends get treated rough by the cops---there is yet more glimpses into what is wrong with the US "Left".
Take revLeft user 'Vaginal Knives' for example (what an oh-so-radical scenester freak username, lol) who asks why even mass media coverage doesn't suddenly result in masses of people coming out to help the 'Occupy Wall Street' protest, and suggests it's due to 'lack of class consciousness'.
1. Maybe it's because not one of these Leftie scenester groups actually went to the working class/oppressed neighborhoods, workplaces, and social hangouts to rally THEM to this protest in the first place.
2. Maybe it's because raising "class consciousness" was NEVER actually on the agenda of the 'Occupy Wall Street' leaderships (and the 'far Left' merely wanted to hang out and sell their rags to trendy Leftie liberal middle class scenesters whom they primarily and actively orient to, AS USUAL!)
3. Here's a question for these faux-Left bastards: WHO was supposed to be occupying Wall Street? Because if they try to claim it was the working class they expected to occupy Wall Street in this protest, then they prove the US "Left" to be utterly incompetant, apathetic, defeatist and even too afraid of the actual working and oppressed masses to dare attempt mobilizing them for a mass occupation.
4. If you act like a substitute for the working class, the working class will sit back and let you go through all the bullshit that happens and results. Right-wingers will explicitly boast triumphant about the failures, and the leftie scenester will get demoralized and defeatist...but genuine proletarian revolutionaries know that no one seriously mobilized the mass power, creativity and support of the working class in the first place, so the working class didn't fail! The misleaders failed!
You can always tell when the faux-Left is getting more demoralized and defeatist when they increasingly bring out their popular frontist special oppression card toolboxes to the front of their rhetoric/activity and start sounding/acting more like Third Worldists who believe 'whites' (trendy Leftie scenesters sometimes say 'first world workers', but then they specifically exclude non-whites, gays, women, yada yada, so it becomes clear precisely who they are saying is the enemy) are bourgeoisified privileged oppressors. So much for concerns about "class consciousness"!
Threads like "Occupy Wall Street--Is shit about to get real?"
Besides this really dumb question from yet another petty bourgeois oriented virtual-leftie scenester---who seems to think things only 'get real' when American middle class leftist scene freaks and their hippie liberal friends get treated rough by the cops---there is yet more glimpses into what is wrong with the US "Left".
Take revLeft user 'Vaginal Knives' for example (what an oh-so-radical scenester freak username, lol) who asks why even mass media coverage doesn't suddenly result in masses of people coming out to help the 'Occupy Wall Street' protest, and suggests it's due to 'lack of class consciousness'.
1. Maybe it's because not one of these Leftie scenester groups actually went to the working class/oppressed neighborhoods, workplaces, and social hangouts to rally THEM to this protest in the first place.
2. Maybe it's because raising "class consciousness" was NEVER actually on the agenda of the 'Occupy Wall Street' leaderships (and the 'far Left' merely wanted to hang out and sell their rags to trendy Leftie liberal middle class scenesters whom they primarily and actively orient to, AS USUAL!)
3. Here's a question for these faux-Left bastards: WHO was supposed to be occupying Wall Street? Because if they try to claim it was the working class they expected to occupy Wall Street in this protest, then they prove the US "Left" to be utterly incompetant, apathetic, defeatist and even too afraid of the actual working and oppressed masses to dare attempt mobilizing them for a mass occupation.
4. If you act like a substitute for the working class, the working class will sit back and let you go through all the bullshit that happens and results. Right-wingers will explicitly boast triumphant about the failures, and the leftie scenester will get demoralized and defeatist...but genuine proletarian revolutionaries know that no one seriously mobilized the mass power, creativity and support of the working class in the first place, so the working class didn't fail! The misleaders failed!
You can always tell when the faux-Left is getting more demoralized and defeatist when they increasingly bring out their popular frontist special oppression card toolboxes to the front of their rhetoric/activity and start sounding/acting more like Third Worldists who believe 'whites' (trendy Leftie scenesters sometimes say 'first world workers', but then they specifically exclude non-whites, gays, women, yada yada, so it becomes clear precisely who they are saying is the enemy) are bourgeoisified privileged oppressors. So much for concerns about "class consciousness"!
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I'm wondering if the recent police brutality — and the corresponding attention it has drawn from various mainstream outlets — may actually serve to turn 'Occupy Wall Street' into a meaningful demonstration.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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It could do so, but only if other forces join this protest and basically swallow it up or overshaddow its originators to the point where its a whole different protest with different aims and tactics. A mass of striking workers, or mass of rebellious proletarian youth would change the character of the Occupy Wall Street demo is a hurry, especially if they democratically put their feet down and made it their own.Admin wrote:I'm wondering if the recent police brutality — and the corresponding attention it has drawn from various mainstream outlets — may actually serve to turn 'Occupy Wall Street' into a meaningful demonstration.
Thoughts?
But the trendy left-scene and liberal hippies? No, as long as fighting masses aren't involved, these fringe-freak people and pacifist idiot liberals won't learn shit. And the only way that fighting masses would get involved 'from below' is if they basically overwhelmed the previous left-scene elements through their numbers, and then immediately remade the whole protest into their image/likeness and for their own interests. The masses are not going to be interested in following the infantile pathetic middle class left-scene. So long as it talks and acts like today's fringe-scenester or popular frontist faux-left, it will lose with the real masses who have nothing to lose, it will not resonate among the deeper and lower masses that are needed to get a real system-challenging occupation/fightback on Wall Street to occur, and because it can't do that, it sure can't put any pressure on the organized labor movement (or sections of it) to join/support that battle, nor could it cause the successful independent organizing of more precarious working class masses for class struggle.
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Coach wrote:It could do so, but only if other forces join this protest and basically swallow it up or overshaddow its originators to the point where its a whole different protest with different aims and tactics. A mass of striking workers, or mass of rebellious proletarian youth would change the character of the Occupy Wall Street demo is a hurry, especially if they democratically put their feet down and made it their own.
But the trendy left-scene and liberal hippies? No, as long as fighting masses aren't involved, these fringe-freak people and pacifist idiot liberals won't learn shit. And the only way that fighting masses would get involved 'from below' is if they basically overwhelmed the previous left-scene elements through their numbers, and then immediately remade the whole protest into their image/likeness and for their own interests. The masses are not going to be interested in following the infantile pathetic middle class left-scene. So long as it talks and acts like today's fringe-scenester or popular frontist faux-left, it will lose with the real masses who have nothing to lose, it will not resonate among the deeper and lower masses that are needed to get a real system-challenging occupation/fightback on Wall Street to occur, and because it can't do that, it sure can't put any pressure on the organized labor movement (or sections of it) to join/support that battle, nor could it cause the successful independent organizing of more precarious working class masses for class struggle.
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Of course, it's probably futile to expect that the requisites necessary to transform the so-called occupation into something relevant will be met, simply because the bourgeois media has drawn some serious level of attention to it. At the moment, it merely appears as though that certain prominent liberals and various yellow unions have come out in defense of the demonstration. Such 'support' cannot and will not change the flawed character of that initiative in any serious capacity. (In fact, the sort of influence such forces could exert upon the demonstration would likely serve to further suppress any sense of class consciousness.)
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I agree with both of your assessments. To provide the matter with some relevant perspective, ask yourselves how many working class individuals even know that this "occupation" is occurring? How many understand or care what the demonstration stands for apart from some abstract opposition to the (fixed) tendencies of Wall Street? Very few. Granted, part of the reason for this ignorance is due to lack of media exposure and bourgeois obfuscation, but the pitiful reception by the real working class speaks volumes about how distant from authentic mass action this "left-wing" protest truly is.
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Yes, I'm reading that some unions locals are going to 'support' this Occupy Wall Street Protest now.
Alright, so what's that 'support' about?
Political posturing. Like in Wisconsin, union bureaucrats will come to turn the Wall Street event into an "volunteer to help elect Democrats in 2012" campaigning event. Just like in Wisconsin, the union bosses and the scenester hippies played symbiotic roles to contain and re-channel discontent while at the same time posing left. The union bosses use it as bargaining leverage and tell the capitalist bosses, "See, you need us, and we got this thing under control, and we're gonna get these protesting folks to vote for some of your politicians." The hippie-Left can pretend like they were part of something progressive and important, making it easier to recruit for their milieu cliques and sect-cults ---"see, the unions came out and supported our protest, and got the cops to back off, so we won". A few Dem politicians and Dem-promoting celebs will probably show up to 'support' as well (in fact, I think some already have), thus trying to secure themselves fresh "good guy badges" for their electioneering activities this next year.
Learn something from how the union locals will come to this Occupy Wall Street event and make it theirs. They will get their officers and bureaucrat-loyal stewards out to act as the discipinary shephards, and they will bring the portion of their flock that they think will play the right role. Whom? The flag-waving conservative Obamaite Democrat flock. The only way you can readily tell the difference between this flock from a typical Tea Party crowd is that they support Obama and unions, and they will tend to have slightly more (better off and conservative) minority elements in attendance. It will NOT look "Left". It will NOT sound "Left" except in occasional posturing vague 'championing the little guy' rhetoric that is typical of Dems around election time. It will look like a diet and slightly more diverse version of a Republican patriotard crowd, and the music played will often sound just like the Right's patriotard pro-imperialist favorites, with a few 60s-era lame-hippie system-approved hits mixed in for good measure and balance. Ah yes, the unions and Dems will turn this into a show about how really American they are (nothing shoots down the accusations of being sympathetic to socialism like a show of flag-waving patriotardism), and they will counter that the Republicans are the real 'un-American' creeps. And to counter the right-wing accusations that they are GODLESS socialists( ), they will certainly make sure that some Dem-supporting clergy show up (especially black clergy, and probably at least one representative from a pro-homo/pro-feminist trendy liberal Christian congregation). Everything will be about posturing and appealing to their audiences to support Dems in next year's election.
It's entirely possible for the Dems and their popular frontist political coalition friends to campaign USING events like the Occupy Wall Street event.
In fact, the politically expedient thing for the Dems to do would be to initiate such phony-protest-turned-electioneering events when they aren't already significantly occurring and ripe for hijacking from the scenester "Left". Basically, it would be the Dem's analogous equivalent to the Tea Party activities that have aided GOP political aspirations. In no way would this represent a leftward-evolution of the Dems, but many in the scenester Left would make themselves believe it to justify their volunteering to campaign for Dems and voting for Dems in the next election, and the minority fringe in the "Left" scene who don't buy in would merely go away back to their alienated fringe ivory towers to whine to themselves (on RevLeft, for example). Obama needs the base that elected him in 2008 to 'get out the vote' in 2012, and so this time the Dems will need their own version of the Tea Party 'movement' to accomplish an Obama re-election and to save the seats of several Democrats in the Senate and House. Watch as the defeatist Revleft types (and even more in the broader Left scene) start talking themselves into supporting Obama's new progressive popular frontism because the US Left scene sucks and is going nowhere anytime soon...plus, at least he's somewhat pro-gay and pro-black and 'not as bad as the Republicans'!
Alright, so what's that 'support' about?
Political posturing. Like in Wisconsin, union bureaucrats will come to turn the Wall Street event into an "volunteer to help elect Democrats in 2012" campaigning event. Just like in Wisconsin, the union bosses and the scenester hippies played symbiotic roles to contain and re-channel discontent while at the same time posing left. The union bosses use it as bargaining leverage and tell the capitalist bosses, "See, you need us, and we got this thing under control, and we're gonna get these protesting folks to vote for some of your politicians." The hippie-Left can pretend like they were part of something progressive and important, making it easier to recruit for their milieu cliques and sect-cults ---"see, the unions came out and supported our protest, and got the cops to back off, so we won". A few Dem politicians and Dem-promoting celebs will probably show up to 'support' as well (in fact, I think some already have), thus trying to secure themselves fresh "good guy badges" for their electioneering activities this next year.
Learn something from how the union locals will come to this Occupy Wall Street event and make it theirs. They will get their officers and bureaucrat-loyal stewards out to act as the discipinary shephards, and they will bring the portion of their flock that they think will play the right role. Whom? The flag-waving conservative Obamaite Democrat flock. The only way you can readily tell the difference between this flock from a typical Tea Party crowd is that they support Obama and unions, and they will tend to have slightly more (better off and conservative) minority elements in attendance. It will NOT look "Left". It will NOT sound "Left" except in occasional posturing vague 'championing the little guy' rhetoric that is typical of Dems around election time. It will look like a diet and slightly more diverse version of a Republican patriotard crowd, and the music played will often sound just like the Right's patriotard pro-imperialist favorites, with a few 60s-era lame-hippie system-approved hits mixed in for good measure and balance. Ah yes, the unions and Dems will turn this into a show about how really American they are (nothing shoots down the accusations of being sympathetic to socialism like a show of flag-waving patriotardism), and they will counter that the Republicans are the real 'un-American' creeps. And to counter the right-wing accusations that they are GODLESS socialists( ), they will certainly make sure that some Dem-supporting clergy show up (especially black clergy, and probably at least one representative from a pro-homo/pro-feminist trendy liberal Christian congregation). Everything will be about posturing and appealing to their audiences to support Dems in next year's election.
It's entirely possible for the Dems and their popular frontist political coalition friends to campaign USING events like the Occupy Wall Street event.
In fact, the politically expedient thing for the Dems to do would be to initiate such phony-protest-turned-electioneering events when they aren't already significantly occurring and ripe for hijacking from the scenester "Left". Basically, it would be the Dem's analogous equivalent to the Tea Party activities that have aided GOP political aspirations. In no way would this represent a leftward-evolution of the Dems, but many in the scenester Left would make themselves believe it to justify their volunteering to campaign for Dems and voting for Dems in the next election, and the minority fringe in the "Left" scene who don't buy in would merely go away back to their alienated fringe ivory towers to whine to themselves (on RevLeft, for example). Obama needs the base that elected him in 2008 to 'get out the vote' in 2012, and so this time the Dems will need their own version of the Tea Party 'movement' to accomplish an Obama re-election and to save the seats of several Democrats in the Senate and House. Watch as the defeatist Revleft types (and even more in the broader Left scene) start talking themselves into supporting Obama's new progressive popular frontism because the US Left scene sucks and is going nowhere anytime soon...plus, at least he's somewhat pro-gay and pro-black and 'not as bad as the Republicans'!
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Rev Scare wrote:We must remember that the participants constitute the afterbirth of the New Left, which abandoned even the pretension of revolution and accommodated itself to the establishment; indeed, it was born of the bourgeois establishment. They represent the public outburst of bourgeois contradictions. The entailed struggle lies between those who wish to retain the stolid and indifferent face of traditional bourgeois culture and those who wish to efface it in favor of a more "humanitarian" image. The claim to speak on behalf of the poor and oppressed, but in actuality they speak on behalf of their own cheap bourgeois morality within the context of a capitalist crisis.
I registered here after reading this thread, just to let you know that this is an amazingly insightful analysis. 30 years ago the group would have been excited to join the New Left or SDS. They're now allergic to that, even though SDS was recently reborn, because they're familiar with those leftist groups and know all too well that they don't do anything. So they are politically homeless, consigned to the group of no group at all, and hoping blindly that the entire country will somehow agree with their non-demands.
The people who run this protest communicate on Twitter, blogs, and forums. You should try to educate them on their heritage and why it makes it impossible for them to achieve relevancy.
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Re: Why the "Occupy Wall Street" Initiative is Failing
There seem to have been some new developments, although it is still a bit unclear to me what's happened.
You've probably heard about the massive arrest of about 800 protestors on the Brooklyn Bridge in New York City. It seems they were set to march across the Bridge's walkway to join another demo, but the cops directed them onto the traffic lanes instead, then locked it down and trapped the protestors. I need to find out more about the forces involved in this action, because this seems like the first time that non-scenester workers and oppressed folks were involved in numbers, and because if this trap and arrest story is true, it can indicate the way that the ruling class is going to try to handle these protests and play it in the mass media: to turn half the population against the other half, or to make it seem that the protestors are a bunch on no-good un-American commie troublemakers (and perhaps their union friends) trying to sabotage the American economy and block traffic for average joes and janes goodie-good middle class Americans.
Need to find out more.
Read this:
http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1377-asWtDdk6gnKY-29T97QUB4KE95Q2BELRDF8SJVB
According to the article, the Occupy Wall Street demo was dwindling until the mass arrests. Now, I've heard that the protestors were actually directed ONTO TRAFFIC LANES and NOT ONTO THE WALKWAY, as the official police line suggested. Why would the cops and media want to give the protestors a chance to get bigger media hype and thus gain more sympathy and expand, when it was running dry beforehand? I believe it is because the Democrats have further use for this 'movement' in the interest of getting their politicians elected in 2012. The Democrats NEED their own analogous version of the GOP's Tea Party. Keep watching.
Relevant RevLeft quote here [keep that Businessweek article in mind]: "... But remember that in Madison, the program of the Democrats, because they had a program, ended up predominating."
You've probably heard about the massive arrest of about 800 protestors on the Brooklyn Bridge in New York City. It seems they were set to march across the Bridge's walkway to join another demo, but the cops directed them onto the traffic lanes instead, then locked it down and trapped the protestors. I need to find out more about the forces involved in this action, because this seems like the first time that non-scenester workers and oppressed folks were involved in numbers, and because if this trap and arrest story is true, it can indicate the way that the ruling class is going to try to handle these protests and play it in the mass media: to turn half the population against the other half, or to make it seem that the protestors are a bunch on no-good un-American commie troublemakers (and perhaps their union friends) trying to sabotage the American economy and block traffic for average joes and janes goodie-good middle class Americans.
Need to find out more.
Read this:
http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1377-asWtDdk6gnKY-29T97QUB4KE95Q2BELRDF8SJVB
According to the article, the Occupy Wall Street demo was dwindling until the mass arrests. Now, I've heard that the protestors were actually directed ONTO TRAFFIC LANES and NOT ONTO THE WALKWAY, as the official police line suggested. Why would the cops and media want to give the protestors a chance to get bigger media hype and thus gain more sympathy and expand, when it was running dry beforehand? I believe it is because the Democrats have further use for this 'movement' in the interest of getting their politicians elected in 2012. The Democrats NEED their own analogous version of the GOP's Tea Party. Keep watching.
Relevant RevLeft quote here [keep that Businessweek article in mind]: "... But remember that in Madison, the program of the Democrats, because they had a program, ended up predominating."
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Re: Why the "Occupy Wall Street" Initiative is Failing
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/03/wall-street-protesters-brewing-tea-party-left-not-yet-strategists-say/
It seems that Faux News staff and consultants are already picking up on similar hypotheses to what I asserted here about the potential for Democrats and their union step-and-fetch-it bureaucrats to try to transform the Occupy Wall Street demo into the catalyst for their own Tea Party style "movement".
It seems that Faux News staff and consultants are already picking up on similar hypotheses to what I asserted here about the potential for Democrats and their union step-and-fetch-it bureaucrats to try to transform the Occupy Wall Street demo into the catalyst for their own Tea Party style "movement".
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Re: Why the "Occupy Wall Street" Initiative is Failing
Things do definitely appear to be evolving with the demonstration(s). The composition of the protestors is diversifying (there appears to be something of a proletarian demographic involved at this point) and the movement is gaining some serious traction across the country. The ideological substance of this movement is still terribly vague, which consequently renders it vulnerable to manipulation by the establishment. However, there is still more potential inherent to this 'occupation' than I had previously assumed.
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