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"Randi Zuckerberg, Facebook’s marketing director, has a fix for cyberbullying: stop people from doing anything online without their names attached.

Facebook requires all members to use their real names and email addresses when joining the social network -- a policy that has been difficult at times to enforce, as the prevalence of spam accounts or profiles assigned to people’s pets suggest.

Zuckerberg, who is Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg’s sister, argued that putting an end to anonymity online could help curb bullying and harassment on the web.

'I think anonymity on the Internet has to go away,' she said during a panel discussion on social media hosted Tuesday evening by Marie Claire magazine. “People behave a lot better when they have their real names down. … I think people hide behind anonymity and they feel like they can say whatever they want behind closed doors.'

Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt has also made this suggestion, calling online anonymity “dangerous” and predicting that governments will eventually 'demand' that people use their names for all online activity.

But the proposal to tie real-world identities to online actions is a controversial one, with many privacy and free speech advocates countering that anonymity is necessary to protect dissidents and other individuals, such as sexual abuse victims.

Gigaom’s Matthew Ingram wrote recently, 'Many people believe that requiring real names will solve the problems of trolls and bad behavior, but they don’t -- and that policy can have negative consequences in terms of suppressing dialogue about important topics.'

Though pressed several times to name what new features Facebook will offer to better safeguard security on the social networking site, Zuckerberg declined to offer specific examples of forthcoming initiatives."
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Post by Pantheon Rising Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:51 am

Great another billion dollar corporation wanting to meddle in our lives even more. I never used my real name or picture of facebook; and I never plan to.
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Post by Rev Scare Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:20 am

I don't find the suggestion to be disagreeable prima facie. Individuals on the internet do behave in a truly repugnant manner under many circumstances. As the internet becomes more preponderant as a means of communication and interaction, the reasoning and justification behind anonymity declines.

Of course, in cases of political suppression, the cloak provided by anonymous interchange of information is infinitely precious, but this does not in and of itself make anonymity desirable any more than the fact that illicit drugs (or most legal, for that matter) provide an outlet for individuals makes drugs desirable. The point is to abolish the systemic features which allow for the proliferation of negative behaviors.
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Post by Leon Mcnichol Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:35 am

This is as ridiculous as demanding an ID from a stranger i see in the street. Sure people will feel more exposed with their names on, but the obvious catch is that i can have acess to true data of anybody with a few clicks, and thats why they want this to go through, such data is worth millions.
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Post by Metal Gear Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:47 am

I agree with him.

edit : sure i'm anonymous now, but i'll give my info to anyone who wants to collaborate and i think trolls who hide behind being anonymous are worthless.

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Post by Rev Scare Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:03 am

Leon Mcnichol wrote:This is as ridiculous as demanding an ID from a stranger i see in the street. Sure people will feel more exposed with their names on, but the obvious catch is that i can have acess to true data of anybody with a few clicks, and thats why they want this to go through, such data is worth millions.

We provide our names on numerous occasions offline. It is not the same as demanding an ID from a stranger, but more along the lines of joining a club in which members are known. In this day and age, I do not see it as highly threatening for anybody to know my basic information. What does it truly matter? Malicious individuals can find valuable data quite readily as it is.

I do, of course, see the potential danger in this under capitalism as far as politics and other controversial subjects are concerned, but anonymous "action" is no form of action in any case.
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Post by Leon Mcnichol Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:02 am

Rev Scare wrote:
Leon Mcnichol wrote:This is as ridiculous as demanding an ID from a stranger i see in the street. Sure people will feel more exposed with their names on, but the obvious catch is that i can have acess to true data of anybody with a few clicks, and thats why they want this to go through, such data is worth millions.

We provide our names on numerous occasions offline. It is not the same as demanding an ID from a stranger, but more along the lines of joining a club in which members are known. In this day and age, I do not see it as highly threatening for anybody to know my basic information. What does it truly matter? Malicious individuals can find valuable data quite readily as it is.

I do, of course, see the potential danger in this under capitalism as far as politics and other controversial subjects are concerned, but anonymous "action" is no form of action in any case.


I see Randi's words as something like, if you want to use the internet, you have to put your ID. It's where this leads you, it's not just a matter of putting my first and last name in some site, it's having a backtrack of everything you do, say, and see on the internet. Now would you like that? I wouldn't, and i can see the obvious implications of such a thing.

If it depended on facebook, all your info would be there, and all the sites or foruns you logged on would be using their login, and obviously they would have records of that, that they could sell to the highest bidders.
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Post by Isakenaz Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:16 am

Leon Mcnichol wrote:
Rev Scare wrote:
Leon Mcnichol wrote:This is as ridiculous as demanding an ID from a stranger i see in the street. Sure people will feel more exposed with their names on, but the obvious catch is that i can have acess to true data of anybody with a few clicks, and thats why they want this to go through, such data is worth millions.

We provide our names on numerous occasions offline. It is not the same as demanding an ID from a stranger, but more along the lines of joining a club in which members are known. In this day and age, I do not see it as highly threatening for anybody to know my basic information. What does it truly matter? Malicious individuals can find valuable data quite readily as it is.

I do, of course, see the potential danger in this under capitalism as far as politics and other controversial subjects are concerned, but anonymous "action" is no form of action in any case.


I see Randi's words as something like, if you want to use the internet, you have to put your ID. It's where this leads you, it's not just a matter of putting my first and last name in some site, it's having a backtrack of everything you do, say, and see on the internet. Now would you like that? I wouldn't, and i can see the obvious implications of such a thing.

If it depended on facebook, all your info would be there, and all the sites or foruns you logged on would be using their login, and obviously they would have records of that, that they could sell to the highest bidders.

I totaly agree with Leon, I have no problem using my real name, its just that I prefer to choose who I give that information too, and it sure isn't 'facebook'.
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Post by Rev Scare Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:53 am

Leon Mcnichol wrote:
Rev Scare wrote:
Leon Mcnichol wrote:This is as ridiculous as demanding an ID from a stranger i see in the street. Sure people will feel more exposed with their names on, but the obvious catch is that i can have acess to true data of anybody with a few clicks, and thats why they want this to go through, such data is worth millions.

We provide our names on numerous occasions offline. It is not the same as demanding an ID from a stranger, but more along the lines of joining a club in which members are known. In this day and age, I do not see it as highly threatening for anybody to know my basic information. What does it truly matter? Malicious individuals can find valuable data quite readily as it is.

I do, of course, see the potential danger in this under capitalism as far as politics and other controversial subjects are concerned, but anonymous "action" is no form of action in any case.


I see Randi's words as something like, if you want to use the internet, you have to put your ID. It's where this leads you, it's not just a matter of putting my first and last name in some site, it's having a backtrack of everything you do, say, and see on the internet. Now would you like that? I wouldn't, and i can see the obvious implications of such a thing.

If it depended on facebook, all your info would be there, and all the sites or foruns you logged on would be using their login, and obviously they would have records of that, that they could sell to the highest bidders.

I do not see the situation to be as ominous as you apparently do. Tracing an individual's personal information and requiring a name to communicate are not necessarily related issues. Granted, I do not find enforcement of such a proposal to be in any way feasible or even desirable for the internet as a whole, but the idea itself is not something I find disagreeable in and of itself.

I do not quite understand upon what basis you are drawing your conclusions. What does it matter if your name is visible whilst communicating with others online? I do not find it to be in any way problematic, and the magnitude of the procedure could only be mitigated if it were equally applicable to all clients. As far as "tracing" your personal history is concerned, there is no manner of such being visible to the majority of users since it would pertain to your IP address, not to your personal name. All of your personal browsing history is already detectable to internet service providers and would, by extension, be accessible by the state.

Are you implying a threat in terms of identity theft or privacy issues in general? With regard to the former, the basic information which most individuals would provide online is meaningless and can already be discovered by anybody willing to scour government databases. It could be argued that anti-anonymity measures would facilitate criminal misconduct, but this would be a marginal issue besides the central topic.
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Post by Leon Mcnichol Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:21 pm

Rev Scare wrote:


I do not see the situation to be as ominous as you apparently do. Tracing an individual's personal information and requiring a name to communicate are not necessarily related issues. Granted, I do not find enforcement of such a proposal to be in any way feasible or even desirable for the internet as a whole, but the idea itself is not something I find disagreeable in and of itself.

I do not quite understand upon what basis you are drawing your conclusions. What does it matter if your name is visible whilst communicating with others online? I do not find it to be in any way problematic, and the magnitude of the procedure could only be mitigated if it were equally applicable to all clients. As far as "tracing" your personal history is concerned, there is no manner of such being visible to the majority of users since it would pertain to your IP address, not to your personal name. All of your personal browsing history is already detectable to internet service providers and would, by extension, be accessible by the state.

Are you implying a threat in terms of identity theft or privacy issues in general? With regard to the former, the basic information which most individuals would provide online is meaningless and can already be discovered by anybody willing to scour government databases. It could be argued that anti-anonymity measures would facilitate criminal misconduct, but this would be a marginal issue besides the central topic.



I think you are not understand the full impact of what she means.

I have an account on facebook. But i don't have my real name there. What she want's to do is make it impossible for me to put a fake name there. Now tell me, how do you expect to be able to control that? Of course, having access to ID databases, and forcing ISPs to identify who lives in wich household. And if they have acess to that, they, and anybody for tht matter, can have access to it, since what are they, if not a private company? This is like giving private corporations full "government" permissions in terms of your personal data. Now tell me, how is this positive in any way? There will be less "trolls" on the internet? Less pedophiles? Well i think there will be less freedom on the internet too, and then what? This is like those post 9/11 measures to "improve safety".
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Post by Rev Scare Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:03 am

Leon Mcnichol wrote:

I think you are not understand the full impact of what she means.

I understand her rather obscure proposals along with any implications stemming therefrom. I simply do not find them to be nearly as alarming as you apparently do.

I have an account on facebook. But i don't have my real name there.

All right, although that seems to defeat the purpose of Facebook, but I digress. I do not invest time into such social media.

What she want's to do is make it impossible for me to put a fake name there. Now tell me, how do you expect to be able to control that?

I do not quite know myself. The challenges of enforcing such a rule would be great, but this much has already been admitted by both the article and me.

Of course, having access to ID databases, and forcing ISPs to identify who lives in wich household. And if they have acess to that, they, and anybody for tht matter, can have access to it, since what are they, if not a private company? This is like giving private corporations full "government" permissions in terms of your personal data.

Such access does not need to be infinite in scope. Few would advocate on behalf of something so gratuitous. The question pertains to visible identification when communicating via the internet. As I've already stated, I do not necessarily find the proffered measure agreeable regarding the internet as a whole, but I do not truly see how this can be denied to private owners of online media. If identification is demanded for certain internet activity, then it cannot be prevented apart from practical difficulties. It is not as though individuals would be capable of gleaning your bank account information or medical history.

Additionally, the manner in which such a policy were to be implemented could be voluntary in nature rather than mandated by an authoritative body.

Now tell me, how is this positive in any way? There will be less "trolls" on the internet? Less pedophiles? Well i think there will be less freedom on the internet too, and then what? This is like those post 9/11 measures to "improve safety".

Freedom is not necessarily a virtue in and of itself. Restricting freedom is often necessary to provide other forms of freedom. The concept of "freedom" itself is vague.

Regardless, your argument seems to be rooted in capitalism, whereas I was approaching the question of anonymity from a more expansive and philosophical perspective. Let us simply leave it at that. I do not find this topic very interesting.
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