The Tea Party and Nationalism

The infamous Tea Party seems to be trying to apropriate itself of the majority of nationalism expressions in the USA today.

This can be seen in places like stormfront forum, where even the national socialists are now being pushed over to give way to a sort of "anti-tax", "anti-social" rethoric that is typical of that movement.

How do american activists see this, and what insight can give regarding this matter?

Leon Mcnichol wrote:The infamous Tea Party seems to be trying to apropriate itself of the majority of nationalism expressions in the USA today.

This can be seen in places like stormfront forum, where even the national socialists are now being pushed over to give way to a sort of "anti-tax", "anti-social" rethoric that is typical of that movement.

How do american activists see this, and what insight can give regarding this matter?

Okay. First you have to understand that the average American historical intelligence only goes back to MAYBE the English Civil War and most not even that far. The past that they wish to go back to never existed except in a brief period during the war when the masses did in fact have the say, but this ended in about 1783 and then the 1789 document sealed the deal and from there out it was landed people mostly until the Jacksonian era, then a few more people got the vote, but until just recently few people actually had a political say. Not to mention the fact that Washington quelled tax revolts with troops, AND got the taxes if you please.

There never was some popular sovereignty, it never existed, since the 'founders' used the same play on words as the Roman Patricians all those centuries before: They defined the rural and urban poor/workers and for the most part small shopkeepers out of 'We the People' and took the mantle to themselves.

The tea party dolts see this aristocratic period as somehow good for the themselves, which is ironic as they would be put down with troops if they protested Madison the way the do Obama. True fact. Do you figure any of those rich men with slaves would have cared about the problems of those fools with signs with their names and highly misdirected quotes upon them? The fact is they are confused and as such are easily misled into thinking that 'going back' -- as if this is possible in the first instance -- is good and in fact inevitable. We must go back or we will go broke. We owe too much debt...etc. Who is this we?

See they self identify with the ruling oligarchies' interests because, they are programmed that 'what is good for business is good for America'. That was taken as truth until at least the mid-70's from the 30's and strong on from the early 50's.

They literally think that 'socialism' is the problem when in fact corporate tax shifting, wealth transfer to the top few percentile and off shoring of the manufacturing base, coupled with mass immigration of colored scabs, thus undermining the social system is the actual problem of a great deal of American economic problems.

These are the sorts of idiots that get all up in arms about small tax increases but are alright with the Regan build up of the armed forces that cost TRILLIONS and did little to nothing in the end other than cost money. Or that support the 'police' actions around the world since world war 2 as good and needed but just cannot figure how that figures into the looted trust funds that were suppose to pay pensions.

The Tea Party is a pretty new and curious phenomenom. Like Albert said it has an image that harkens back to old time Pre Revolutionary War America. It does use nationalistic imagery however it is anything but a nationalistic movement ( since it accepts all nationalities and races who wish to join). The people who join the movement come from many different walks of life and some can be recruited. Socialist Nationalists ( who live in the United States) should focus on recruiting average White Working Class folk who only take part in the movement because they are angry at the Wall Street Capitalists ( for example). Besides the Nonwhites in the movement ( who we of course should forget about) the rest of the people in the movement ( with a few exceptions) are pretty much useless. They either care only about taxes and minimum government or are ideologues who arent worth reasoning with. So my opinion is Socialist Nationalists should work at drawing away as many Working Class Whites from the Tea Party movement as possible by offering a better alternative.

Leon Mcnichol wrote:The infamous Tea Party seems to be trying to apropriate itself of the majority of nationalism expressions in the USA today.

This can be seen in places like stormfront forum, where even the national socialists are now being pushed over to give way to a sort of "anti-tax", "anti-social" rethoric that is typical of that movement.

How do american activists see this, and what insight can give regarding this matter?

The Tea Party movement is best described as promoting constitutionalism. Not any constitution, however, but that of the United States. This is a prima facie nationalism, but it is far removed from the nationalism that we endorse due to its superficiality. Tea Party advocates are minarchists who promote laissez-faire capitalism. Their heroes, according to their very limited perception and understanding, are the Founding Fathers of the United States, and their most famous voice is Glenn Beck.

The Tea Party phenomenon is the quintessential example of reactionary politics: it clamors to maintain a status quo that has at best become obsolete and at worst never existed. It is primarily a petit-bourgeois response to the wrongdoings of corporate capitalism and is destined to flounder even in the face of the greater bourgeois establishment.

These people may be a Joe-the-Plumber style reaction to the top class, but they are largely inspired and funded by that class. (They took their name from Ron Paul's original rallies.) Their focus of attack is of course, those agencies and entities remaining which the Wall Streeters find troublesome. I'm sure all have seen the picture spread by PNR on That Prior Forum. It pretty much does say it all.

I agree with your basic premise, but I have never heard of tea baggers turning to violence.

Godfaesten wrote:

I agree with your basic premise, but I have never heard of tea baggers turning to violence.

Wait until the class struggle intensifies. We'll see some of those zealous anti-union pro-austerity System serving scum from that other forum out there in the Tea Party type crowds, doing what they can to attack the working class pro-union and anti-austerity forces.

The Tea Party movement is best described as promoting constitutionalism. Not any constitution, however, but that of the United States. This is a prima facie nationalism, but it is far removed from the nationalism that we endorse due to its superficiality.

They are in fact calling for oligarchy plain and simple but they call it a republic. And yes their nationalism goes no deeper than adhering to a lose set of principles handed down by the founders from on high. They are silly and confused people.

Tea Party advocates are minarchists who promote laissez-faire capitalism. Their heroes, according to their very limited perception and understanding, are the Founding Fathers of the United States, and their most famous voice is Glenn Beck.

This about sums it up but there are also MANY representatives of the war party in their ranks. They are not anti-imperial in the least except very minimally and just superficially. Personally I believe they are funded by the MIC and the large corporate business interests to funnel away and slow step the real anger of Main Street over being robbed until the memory has passed into acceptance; and also sadly largely it has worked.

It is primarily a petit-bourgeois response to the wrongdoings of corporate capitalism and is destined to flounder even in the face of the greater bourgeois establishment.

Personally I see it has a creature of the capital classes to ensure that any dissent is redirected to and against others NOT of their class. It was bums not bankers that did this robbery see! It is a simple matter of x amount of money being put into agiprop and media sock puppets, and onto the streets by way of fronts to achieve desired goal y in the further pursuit of plan z which is ultimately a coffee colored world of serfs with a small oligarchy playing at plantation owners. It was in fact the elite using the middle class to their own disadvantage and the working class and the poorer classes disadvantage.

AlbertCurtis wrote:Personally I see it has a creature of the capital classes to ensure that any dissent is redirected to and against others NOT of their class. It was bums not bankers that did this robbery see! It is a simple matter of x amount of money being put into agiprop and media sock puppets, and onto the streets by way of fronts to achieve desired goal y in the further pursuit of plan z which is ultimately a coffee colored world of serfs with a small oligarchy playing at plantation owners. It was in fact the elite using the middle class to their own disadvantage and the working class and the poorer classes disadvantage.

I agree and this ruling-class ruse has largely succeeded. Poor education and decades of propaganda and disinformation mean that the masses of Americans are an ignorant, confused, and deluded lot who are putty in the hands of the oligarchs. Any dissatisfaction that emerges is quickly diverted and channeled towards scapegoats -- big government, too much tax bankrupting businesses, public sector workers, foreign "terrorists," et cetera.

The Tea Party is far-removed from nationalism (because they, or their leaders really don't want the people to act independently as a group), and appears to be no more than a front for the corptocracy.

"It's a simple fact of political life in America that NO viable, honest political movement shall be permitted to take ten healthy breaths before being probed thoroughly and then taken over by the Zionist political machine..."

"In the alternate, however, if the Tea Party was/is a genuine spasm of political anger - with even a remote chance of causing trouble to the status (Star of David) quo - it was immediately targeted for total control and usurpation by the Zionist masters when it began to force the Jewish media to cover it."

"Savor this: Listed on the Tea party Nation's own Internet Home Site as one of its leading "Resources," is the malignant Zionist, Jewish Neocon think tank, the "American Enterprise Institute," which pushed the US into the illegal War of Genocide (two million Iraqi dead) and is currently propagandizing and demanding the (US) annihilation of Iran..."

"Next up in the chain of evidence of Zionist control of the Tea party Nation, one finds as its leading sponsor and "featured Convention speaker," Mr. Joseph Farah, publisher of World Net Daily, a RABID Pro-Israel Internet news and propaganda service."

"With Palin-enablers like Zionist Jews Rupert Murdoch, Jacob Rothschild, William Kristol, and Randy Scheunemann, the Tea Party patriots who tried to roll out a genuine populist renewal of 'Americanism' will, instead, be getting yet another onslaught of Zionist skullduggery and hardcore Jewish tribalism housed behind the square-rimmed designer glasses, People Mag fodder, politically 'fresh' malignantly Zionist 'Christian' soccer mom."

"Fox News AND the Wall Street Journal, both owned by Murdoch's News Corporation, featured Palin's speech in a multiplicity of articles complete with a "splashy" WSJ Interactive Graphic Presentation on Palin."

"Follow this one: On the Board of Directors of Murdoch's News Corporation, is one Andrew Knight, Chairman of J. Rothschild Capital Management Limited. (JRCML is a subsidiary of RIT Capital Partners whose Executive Director is "Lord" Jacob Rothschild.)"

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=481

hermeticist wrote: I agree and this ruling-class ruse has largely succeeded. Poor education and decades of propaganda and disinformation mean that the masses of Americans are an ignorant, confused, and deluded lot who are putty in the hands of the oligarchs.

This is not new, nor will it end any time soon. The few will always be better able to square notes as it were, the trick is determining who will be the few.

Hierarchy is after all NATURAL to the human condition and NOT something imposed upon us. It need not be as steep or egalitarianism but there will always be alphas and betas and this is just the nature of things.

In my view you can have either the few based upon force and power that is coercion and exaction or the few based upon authority and consent. I favor the later but if it is not fought for the former will take the field every time as self-seeking power hunger men are never lacking.

Any dissatisfaction that emerges is quickly diverted and channeled towards scapegoats -- big government, too much tax bankrupting businesses, public sector workers, foreign "terrorists," et cetera.

Have you ever read Livy? Please do so I think it will broaden your horizons and give you some good ammunition. The Conflict of the Orders is a study that ALL in the West should know understand and use to effect, in my estimation. At least read the first say three books, and you will see just how little things change while always changing for those that experience them. The things above that you list too are not new: Nihil sub sole novum est. The enemy is attacking us the Patricians would always say when the plebeians had a demand, eh. Another that I recommend to you is Plutarch: He uses history as a moral play, and does so very well indeed in his 'Lives', very human and person is Plutarch, wordy but eloquent I found. There is much about our past that is MUCH more important than silly economics, after all. (also I would like to point out to those that will see: In those two sets of books is EVERY trick, and hustle used in politics since the age of the Greek Polis to now!)

AlbertCurtis wrote:Have you ever read Livy? Please do so I think it will broaden your horizons and give you some good ammunition. The Conflict of the Orders is a study that ALL in the West should know understand and use to effect, in my estimation. At least read the first say three books, and you will see just how little things change while always changing for those that experience them. The things above that you list too are not new: Nihil sub sole novum est. The enemy is attacking us the Patricians would always say when the plebeians had a demand, eh. Another that I recommend to you is Plutarch: He uses history as a moral play, and does so very well indeed in his 'Lives', very human and person is Plutarch, wordy but eloquent I found. There is much about our past that is MUCH more important than silly economics, after all. (also I would like to point out to those that will see: In those two sets of books is EVERY trick, and hustle used in politics since the age of the Greek Polis to now!)

Read Plutarch but not, alas, Livy.

hermeticist wrote:

AlbertCurtis wrote:Have you ever read Livy? Please do so I think it will broaden your horizons and give you some good ammunition. The Conflict of the Orders is a study that ALL in the West should know understand and use to effect, in my estimation. At least read the first say three books, and you will see just how little things change while always changing for those that experience them. The things above that you list too are not new: Nihil sub sole novum est. The enemy is attacking us the Patricians would always say when the plebeians had a demand, eh. Another that I recommend to you is Plutarch: He uses history as a moral play, and does so very well indeed in his 'Lives', very human and person is Plutarch, wordy but eloquent I found. There is much about our past that is MUCH more important than silly economics, after all. (also I would like to point out to those that will see: In those two sets of books is EVERY trick, and hustle used in politics since the age of the Greek Polis to now!)

Read Plutarch but not, alas, Livy.

Here ya go then: http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/Liv1His.html