Nat'l Anarchists in the USA to Burn the Koran too. Why?
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Nat'l Anarchists in the USA to Burn the Koran too. Why?
Why are National Anarchists joining in on the Burn the Koran bandwagon?
Seriously, what good does this activity serve...especially in the United States?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t796233/
Seriously, what good does this activity serve...especially in the United States?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t796233/
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Re: Nat'l Anarchists in the USA to Burn the Koran too. Why?
It's a publicity stunt, nothing more. Unfortunately, I don't see how it will draw in much support for their cause. The only demographics these sorts of actions resonate with are those on the far-right who harbor absolutely no sympathies for anarchism. At the same time, those on the left, who might otherwise be receptive to a nationalistic variant of anarchism, will now be far more likely to dismiss them as disingenuous, opportunistic reactionaries.
Incidentally, you already have SF reactionaries like 'mikhaelis' dismissing BANA offhand, as though he knows the first thing about who they are and what they stand for. [What does that remind you of?] Then there are the other sociopaths who are disappointed because the planned action is not xenophobic enough for their tastes.
I give groups like BANA their due credit for actually having the initiative to get out there and organize and engage in some form of activism. However, the problem I see with them —apart from their ideological shortcomings, of course— is their insistence on clinging onto the fringes of the White Nationalist community in far too significant of a capacity. It invariably leads to these sorts of unnecessary and counterproductive gestures.
Incidentally, you already have SF reactionaries like 'mikhaelis' dismissing BANA offhand, as though he knows the first thing about who they are and what they stand for. [What does that remind you of?] Then there are the other sociopaths who are disappointed because the planned action is not xenophobic enough for their tastes.
I give groups like BANA their due credit for actually having the initiative to get out there and organize and engage in some form of activism. However, the problem I see with them —apart from their ideological shortcomings, of course— is their insistence on clinging onto the fringes of the White Nationalist community in far too significant of a capacity. It invariably leads to these sorts of unnecessary and counterproductive gestures.
Re: Nat'l Anarchists in the USA to Burn the Koran too. Why?
Here's an opinion on the NA from the Anarchist-Syndicalist section of Revleft;
And that's from before any Koran burning.
They're third positionist knob jobs who caveat anarchist ideology by saying things like "While ideologically a National Anarchist agrees with the anarchist criticism of government and capitalism, what makes us different is that economic concerns are of secondary importance to the individual’s primary loyalty to his or her cultural, ethnic, and ethical identity." [Source: http://www.toqonline.com/2009/08/int...yeoman-part-i/] In other words, they don't believe in 'race mixing,' so anarchist communes should be organized along ethnic lines, because, well, they're racist f******* assholes.
And that's from before any Koran burning.
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Re: Nat'l Anarchists in the USA to Burn the Koran too. Why?
Isakenaz wrote:Here's an opinion on the NA from the Anarchist-Syndicalist section of Revleft;They're third positionist knob jobs who caveat anarchist ideology by saying things like "While ideologically a National Anarchist agrees with the anarchist criticism of government and capitalism, what makes us different is that economic concerns are of secondary importance to the individual’s primary loyalty to his or her cultural, ethnic, and ethical identity." [Source: http://www.toqonline.com/2009/08/int...yeoman-part-i/] In other words, they don't believe in 'race mixing,' so anarchist communes should be organized along ethnic lines, because, well, they're racist f******* assholes.
And that's from before any Koran burning.
You can always expect to get that sort of puritanical grandstanding on a site like Revleft, because, apart from their anti-capitalism, anti-racism is the common bond between its members. As such, the very notion of ethnic or national solidarity is met with the usual barrage of 'fascist' condemnations.
However, one needs to take into account the fact that on forums like Revleft and SF, the prevailing narrative may not necessarily coincide with the honest opinions of the membership. It's this suppressed dimension of one's thoughts that revolutionary socialists such as ourselves must exploit when it comes to these sorts of fringe groups. One can imagine how delicate a process that is; which is why I simply can't understand why BANA would decide to join the Christian right in its attempts to provoke the international Islamic community in such a way. [Our European comrades should be aware that there is no Muslim demographic problem in the U.S. comparable to that in Western Europe.]
Re: Nat'l Anarchists in the USA to Burn the Koran too. Why?
True. The NAM (National Anarchist Movement) has moved to disassociate itself from the exercise;
http://www.national-anarchist.net/
http://www.national-anarchist.net/
STATEMENT BY THE NATIONAL-ANARCHIST MOVEMENT
The National-Anarchist Movement (N-AM) wishes to disassociate itself from the recent decision by the Bay Area National Anarchists (BANA) to stage a 'Burn the Koran' event on 22nd April 2011. Not only is this tactic extremely counter-productive, it also runs contrary to the free-thinking ethos of National-Anarchism itself. Indeed, we can hardly complain if our own spiritual, cultural and ethnic identity is attacked and denigrated if we are willing to do the same to others. Indeed, by seeking to antagonise Muslims through the destruction of the Qur'an, apparently because of the possibility that Islam will "be implemented all across the globe including our homelands through force of violence if necessary", BANA is ignoring the fact that only a minority of Muslims - most notably the aggressive Wahhabi sect, which is denounced by millions of Sunni and Shi'a Muslims alike - actually believe in pursuing such a strategy. Furthermore, despite the fact that the N-AM does not welcome the presence of Muslim immigrants in Europe, we believe that the Islamic religion is far more diverse than the blood-drenched hypocrites in London and Washington would like us to believe and that a more sensible approach would be to build links with Muslim communities in order to establish common ground. Not with the more unreasonable elements, of course, but with those who also have an aversion to Zionism, International Finance and the New World Order.
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Re: Nat'l Anarchists in the USA to Burn the Koran too. Why?
This is a very interesting development. It will be worth following the situation as it unfolds. The N-AM is acting sensibly in light of the foolish decision of BANA.
Re: Nat'l Anarchists in the USA to Burn the Koran too. Why?
I have been browsing through the National-Anarchist Movement website, and I must admit that my respect for them has increased. Their mentality is, at the very least, similar to our own. They are most certainly far removed from the reactionary nationalist circles.
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