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Post by TheocWulf on Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:15 pm

http://www.rosenoire.org/articles/hist13.php

A slightly old article on Strasserism by Troy Southgate who has moved away from Strasserism onto other things,But still a good article in my opion.

Here is a couple of extracts I enjoyed

Point 16 promised the destruction of chain stores and supermarkets, and claimed to support small businesses. The reality, on the other hand, was far different as Hitler once again defended the monopolists. Whilst Strasserite stormtroopers picketed the large stores and urged people to support the small traders, Hitler put an instant stop to all such anti-Capitalist activity. Indeed, one large chain store was funding the Southern Branch of the NSDAP itself and Hitler did not want to alienate his financial backers.

Gregor Strasser, however, had this to say about Capitalism: “The Capitalist system with its exploitation of those who are economically weak, with its robbery of the workers’ labour power, with its unethical way of appraising human beings by the number of things and the amount of money he possesses, instead of by their internal value and their achievements, must be replaced by a new and just economic system, in a word by German Socialism.”

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Post by Admin on Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:05 pm

TheocWulf wrote:Point 16 promised the destruction of chain stores and supermarkets, and claimed to support small businesses. The reality, on the other hand, was far different as Hitler once again defended the monopolists. Whilst Strasserite stormtroopers picketed the large stores and urged people to support the small traders, Hitler put an instant stop to all such anti-Capitalist activity. Indeed, one large chain store was funding the Southern Branch of the NSDAP itself and Hitler did not want to alienate his financial backers.

I wouldn't classify that action as particularly anti-capitalist. It strikes me more as petite bourgeois populism.

As far as the rest of the content of the article is concerned, I do not find its anti-communist/anti-Marxist/anti-leftist rhetoric productive nor rational. Whatever value the insights provided on Hitler's reactionary politics is very much undermined by its juxtaposition to such moderate (borderline counterrevolutionary), Third Positionist rubbish.


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Post by TheocWulf on Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:00 am

Admin wrote:I wouldn't classify that action as particularly anti-capitalist. It strikes me more as petite bourgeois populism.

As far as the rest of the content of the article is concerned, I do not find its anti-communist/anti-Marxist/anti-leftist rhetoric productive or rational. Whatever value the insights provided on Hitler's reactionary politics is very much undermined by its juxtaposition to such moderate (borderline counterrevolutionary), Third Positionist rubbish.

Well I cant speak for the author but both strassers and Gregor in particular were not big fans of International strains of communinsm and again in Gregors case communism at all.Otto may not have been as anti communist as his brother but he certainly saw no contradiction as a socialist in fighting in the Friekorps against the short lived Bavarian Soviet Republic despite beliving in an alliance with the Soviet Union.Both men wanted a German grass roots Socialism and felt top down soviet dominated communist thaught at the time unworkable or undisirable for there people.

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Post by Celtiberian on Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:50 am

TheocWulf wrote:Well I cant speak for the author but both strassers and Gregor in particular were not big fans of International strains of communinsm and again in Gregors case communism at all.

Both Gregor and Otto despised communism in all its variants.

Otto may not have been as anti communist as his brother but he certainly saw no contradiction as a socialist in fighting in the Friekorps against the short lived Bavarian Soviet Republic despite beliving in an alliance with the Soviet Union.Both men wanted a German grass roots Socialism and felt top down soviet dominated communist thaught at the time unworkable or undisirable for there people.

The reason they saw no contradiction in joining the Freikorps in the overthrow of the Bavarian Soviet Republic was because their 'socialism' was derived from an entirely different philosophy from the socialism espoused by Kurt Eisner and the other leaders of the Bavarian Soviet. The Strasser brothers were staunch Christian socialists, and as such, completely rejected Marxian theory.

As I've stated elsewhere, I believe that Strasserism, while obviously superior to Hitlerism, nevertheless advocated policies which were far from representative of a total abrogation of bourgeois social relations. I also consider the philosophical basis of Strasserism to be severely flawed and reactionary.


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Post by TheocWulf on Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:52 pm

Celtiberian wrote:The reason they saw no contradiction in joining the Freikorps in the overthrow of the Bavarian Soviet Republic was because their 'socialism' was derived from an entirely different philosophy from the socialism espoused by Kurt Eisner and the other leaders of the Bavarian Soviet. The Strasser brothers were staunch Christian socialists, and as such, they completely rejected Marxism.

As I've stated elsewhere, I believe that Strasserism, while obviously superior to Hitlerism, nevertheless advocated policies which were far from representative of a total abrogation of bourgeois social relations. I also consider the philosophical basis of Strasserism to be severely flawed and reactionary.

Very true Celt the concept of a German socilaism/National Socilaism (Real National socilaism) was/is a developing concept in how said socialism fitted within the existing folk boundries and how best to implement it with out destroying existing foundations and boundries that binded the folk.Of course once the war had started Otto himself called for Germany to dispanded and each princeipality be an indipendant entity,But once the war was over he called for for Germany to be a Federation of these princeipality in a similar way to the modern EU.

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