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Post by flatowkorps on Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:06 pm

What do you think about it? Have you read The Satanic Bible? I like the idea, it was very useful in my life and I'm about to read this book third time. Very Happy
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Post by Pantheon Rising on Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:55 pm

Dude, no disrespect but I think Leveyan Satanism is worse than Christianity. At least some aspects of Christianity teach charity and kindness, LeVeyan Satanism is like a capitalist's dream religion though. The satanic bible from what I have heard about it is that it is based on all might is right and greed of human nature philosophy.

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Post by Rev Scare on Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:44 pm

I used to flirt with LaVeyan Satanism in my early teenage years, especially when I became immersed in black metal, but I have always found its objectivist core to be noxious. LaVeyan Satanism is basically the religious embodiment of right-wing libertarianism, although the religion purports to be neutral regarding all personal ideologies: stressing individual gratification as the most noble of virtues. Individuality, in the sense that individuals should be free to pursue their creative aims and to possess free choice, is applicable to all free thinkers, be they socialists, laissez-faire capitalists, or any individual who believes in free expression. However, this Randian individualism that the Church of Satan professes is nothing more than the mystification and codification of the farcical set of "values" known as libertarian "ethics."


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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:42 pm

I dont know much about it but based on what Ive heard from real life LaVeyans I definitely dont agree with it. It sounds way too individualistic and this whole might is right thing just isnt my cup of tea.

Of course there are LaVeyans out there who are pretty cool people ( Ive known a handful). It probably is a fact though that you would be hard pressed to find many Socialists among them since their worldview isnt exactly compatible with Socialism ( based on what Ive heard). And no Ive never read the Satanic Bible and I dont plan on doing so.


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Post by TheocWulf on Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:28 am

im with the above posters its about individualism and I belive individualism is one of the things that makes my country so apolitical.If we hope to have a decent future for our people we need to go forward as one.

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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by flatowkorps on Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:55 am

What's wrong about individualism? I prefer groups of individuals than mob of robots. LaVeyan Satanism is about giving love to people who deserves it and hate for your enemies. It's natural thing. If something is wrong for me, I'm trying to change it/talk about it. I don't really practice this rituals, etc., because for me it's bullshit, but philosophical thought fits me.
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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Rev Scare on Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:16 am

flatowkorps wrote:What's wrong about individualism? I prefer groups of individuals than mob of robots. LaVeyan Satanism is about giving love to people who deserves it and hate for your enemies. It's natural thing. If something is wrong for me, I'm trying to change it/talk about it. I don't really practice this rituals, etc., because for me it's bullshit, but philosophical thought fits me.

There is nothing wrong with individuality. Individualism as a central philosophy is another matter. I see absolutely no reason why the individual should be elevated above society, especially considering that the two are intractably interrelated. Individual experiences, identity, and even introspection are strongly influenced by the social formation in which individuals reside, and this in turn reflects back upon the social formation. Arbitrarily deifying the individual is both religious nonsense and serves to undermine socialism, not to mention its implicit support of laissez-faire capitalism in line with neoclassical economic theory, as Satanism, too, abstracts entirely from class processes and other social factors that determine individual well-being. This is why I have referred to it as the religious embodiment of right-wing libertarianism in my earlier post.

Contrary to what many of those who wish to obscure social injustices believe, we are not merely individual units who maneuver autonomously amongst each other and follow our own "rational self-interest": we are literally defined in part by and dependent upon both our direct and indirect interactions with other people. LaVeyan Satanism is derived in large part from Randian objectivism, which is, in my view, a socially harmful and therefore debauched philosophy.


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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by GF on Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:54 pm

Well, here at the SP we only officially endorse "red-snuggie" variety of satanism.

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Post by Admin on Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:13 pm

Godfaesten wrote:Well, here at the SP we only officially endorse "red-snuggie" variety of satanism.


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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:43 am

Godfaesten wrote:Well, here at the SP we only officially endorse "red-snuggie" variety of satanism.
What is the red snuggie variety of Satanism?
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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Isakenaz on Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:06 am

Admin wrote:

Why have they got those lights? Is it because they are dim f*ckers, or in dire need of enlightenment?

What is the red snuggie variety of Satanism?

Should we tell him, or should he be made to undergo the secret ceremony first?

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Post by TotalitarianSocialist on Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:53 am

LeVayan "Satanism", is not even Satanism. It seems more like an individualistic form of atheism. True Satanism hardly even exists. In order to be a true Satanist one would even have to believe in the judeo-christian bible and think Satan is the good guy. Anti-cosmic Satanism is more interesting then Levayan Satanim, however I disgree with selfish individualistic ideologies. Levay plagurised the book "Might is Right", it has to be one of my favorite books though it disagrees with socialism.
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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Pantheon Rising on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:49 am

TotalitarianSocialist wrote:LeVayan "Satanism", is not even Satanism. It seems more like an individualistic form of atheism. True Satanism hardly even exists. In order to be a true Satanist one would even have to believe in the judeo-christian bible and think Satan is the good guy. Anti-cosmic Satanism is more interesting then Levayan Satanim, however I disgree with selfish individualistic ideologies. Levay plagurised the book "Might is Right", it has to be one of my favorite books though it disagrees with socialism.

That is not necessarily true. What makes one a "true" satanist is completely arbitrary. There are many different sects of Satanism, just like there is Christianity. The most well known are The Church of Satan who are basically religious atheists. They form "Might is Right" and Social Darwinism into a religion almost.

There are forms of Satanism wish accept spirituality completely. Maxine Dietrich and the Spiritual Satanists, for one, wholly accept Satanism as a spiritual path and reject the Christian view of Satan. Now, aside from the fact they're complete nutters who have instructions for summoning sex demons, what makes one "true" is still completely arbitrary.

There is also sects such as the Temple of Set.

http://www.xeper.org/

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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Red & White on Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:47 am

Pantheon Rising wrote:
TotalitarianSocialist wrote:LeVayan "Satanism", is not even Satanism. It seems more like an individualistic form of atheism. True Satanism hardly even exists. In order to be a true Satanist one would even have to believe in the judeo-christian bible and think Satan is the good guy. Anti-cosmic Satanism is more interesting then Levayan Satanim, however I disgree with selfish individualistic ideologies. Levay plagurised the book "Might is Right", it has to be one of my favorite books though it disagrees with socialism.

That is not necessarily true. What makes one a "true" satanist is completely arbitrary. There are many different sects of Satanism, just like there is Christianity. The most well known are The Church of Satan who are basically religious atheists. They form "Might is Right" and Social Darwinism into a religion almost.

There are forms of Satanism wish accept spirituality completely. Maxine Dietrich and the Spiritual Satanists, for one, wholly accept Satanism as a spiritual path and reject the Christian view of Satan. Now, aside from the fact they're complete nutters who have instructions for summoning sex demons, what makes one "true" is still completely arbitrary.

There is also sects such as the Temple of Set.

http://www.xeper.org/

There's also a group, that were a break away from the Church of Satan, that call themselves The Satanic Reds, who have Soviet inconography and have a sort of socialist thing going on. Vaguely!:

http://www.satanicreds.org/satanicreds/





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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Goat777Face on Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:31 am

Well, I happen to be a LaVeyan Satanist, and while I agree it isn't for everybody, I must say that I have found the ideas it expresses to be the most logical and satisfying I have ever come across.

I have failed to find much of this Ayn Rand cultism among Satanists, and where I have found it, it has been purely on the metaphysical level as opposed to political and economic. Very few Satanists are Capitalists or Libertarians. Most are Socialist in some way.

As for individualism, I would strongly recommend the works of Max Stirner, Mikhail Bakunin, Emma Goldman and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. These people address egoism/individualism and how it relates to social collectivism and communism.

For the Satanists, it is clear that for the individual to prosper, we need to co-operate. While we do hold to intellectual fascism and a form of social darwinism, that's just our preferred way to interact with a world that we feel radically different to. Instinctively, we reject any authority and do not value self-sacrifice.

I think this essay says it a bit better than I can at the moment: satanicleft.weebly.com/the-limitations-of-individualism.html

Another Satanist site which promotes individualism in a social sense is orderofnineangles.net which was originally set up by David Myatt -a very strange character. I don't think the current ONA has anything to do with Myatt -what with him being a Muslim now and all.
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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Jaycm610 on Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:23 pm

I suppose it depends on how you interpret Lavey's teachings. I've read the Satanic Bible, and the philosophy/religion of Satanism encourages us to improve ourselves and, pretty much, to become dominate, powerful, individuals, to do what is best for yourself. Well, if being a revolutionary socialist is what you think is best for yourself, who is to tell you otherwise? And becoming dominate doesn't have to mean being filthy rich and greedy, but it could mean being an "alpha male" or being physically strong and intelligent. I suppose it all depends on how you apply his teachings. Either way, if you agree with his outlook, you're better off calling yourself an atheist, unless you really feel drawn to Satanic imagery.
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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Metal Gear on Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:48 pm

satanicleft.weebly.com

That's jake black's website.

I know there are different types of satanism. Lavey, Theistic, Symbolic. I'm more of a symbolic satanist.

I don't believe the devil exists but I follow satan's example of rebelling against god. The working class should rebel as well.

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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Balkan Beast on Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:42 pm

Sorry, as an orthodox christian I cannot agree with any form of Satanism purely for moralistic reasons.

Disregarding my own religious standpoint of Satanism the large majority of the sects I have heard of(and the information given thus far in this thread) lead me to believe they are just athiests that place a fanatical dedication to a Might is Right lifestyle(even though I'm sure none of them could handle such a life if society truly transformed into that), and greed.

To those of you who embrace these beliefs(the ones that don't promote the characteristics which capitalism are built on), I'm sorry if that seems very intolerant to you, but hey I'm just rebelling against Satan the sacred deity of the bourgeois lol.
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Post by Pantheon Rising on Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:03 pm

Question for all Satanists - isn't taking the demon from a holy book and using him as your "God" (whether you believe him to be real or not) an idea bred of pure reaction?

I was actually very interested in Satanism at one point, especially when I had a militant anti-christian phase but now I am convinced it is doing nothing but contributing to degenerative nihilism which is tearing down the very moral fiber of our nations.

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Post by RedSun on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:47 pm

It is pretty reactionary, yes. (I was quite interested in LaVeyan Satanism awhile ago)

On the whole, considering the definite libertarian and generally extremely self-centred attitude of LaVeyan Satanism, I wouldn't say it has anything to do with socialism (I once read a great article where it showed that each of the Nine Satanic Statements, the core of the philosophy, had already been said in different words by Ayn Rand).

As for non-LaVeyan Satanists who actually have a socialist philosophy, sure, why not?

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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Altair on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:52 pm

There of aspects of LeVeyan Satanism that I agree with (from a young age I have always believed that man is his own god), but there are other aspects that I have a problem with - one being lex talionis.

''LaVey felt that intelligent and strong people spent too much time caring for psychic vampires — weak individuals who always demanded attention and care, yet would never give any back. He taught that Satanists should strive to remove themselves as much as possible from such people in order to live in accordance to their instincts and individual wills."

While I agree with this, I do not feel it is right to treat another badly because they have wronged me, which is described in a few of the Satanic Commandments as the proper counter to being wronged. It is correct to learn and grow from the situation, but I don't think I could purposely mistreat another person simply because they are also human and have made a mistake. This is much easier said than done; I have been working on being more forgiving for some time now, but I believe this to be a much more worthwhile cause than constantly enacting "revenge" upon others because they have "wronged" me.

Revenge will never bring about any true change. Disengaging from the person or situation, and having confidence in one's self, ideas, and actions makes more sense to me than base retaliation. True contentment and mastery of the self does not come from lashing out in reaction to others. Letting someone else's behavior affect you to such an extent makes them your god in the end.

It seems worthwhile to help other people learn and grow out of one's own desire to enlighten and encourage them in the hopes of making the world, on the whole, a better place. This should hold true in any ideal society. We should seek to assist comrades who have wronged us rather than let them continue in their ignorance, because that contributes to the downfall of our society in the long run.

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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by DSN on Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:18 pm

I liked the sound of LaVeyan Satanism for like a week or two when I was reading the Satanic Bible, and I had more of a "meh, fuck it" attitude to politics for that short period of time which led me to the more each to his own view of politics/economics until I grew out of the phase. The label is stupid and simply makes a bunch of hardcore atheists sound tough and scary. If you check out satanicinternationalnetwork(.)com (SIN... get it?) you'll see they're mostly a bunch of egotistical wizards and lonely fascists.

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Re: LaVeyan Satanism

Post by Red Aegis on Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:08 pm

When I was a hard-core Catholic, I thought that as enemies of god, it wouldn't be a sin exactly to kill a Satanist. I was pretty far gone back then so I'm not going to make a joke about it. I would just like to point out to the atheistic members of such groups that they may be making themselves targets for religious zealots. It's much more dangerous, at least, than just being a regular atheist and possibly more dangerous than being an abortion physician. I'm glad that I got out of that political sector but there's many still that 'devout'.

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