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Post by Radix1944 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:23 pm

Hello Comrades,

Are Autonomus Nationalists, Strasserists or so-called third position organistions in general our allies? For me is very interesting question, because when i read some western AN/Strasserist websites eg. http://national-revolutionary.blogspot.com/ i see that have many common with left. Even russian NS from Narodnaya Volya (ex-Volnitza) are true anticapitalist. They support workers strikes and participate in Antikap demonstration which is organised by communists. But for examle in Poland AN are totally diffrent than western or russian AN organisations. They use some anticapitalist slogans eg. "Work! Dignity! Nationalism! Let's abolish capitalism!" but on their demonstrations they shout only anticommunists slogans and claim that capitalist goverment has someting common with communism (slogan: "You were in ZOMO*, You were in ORMO**, now You support Civic Platform***)

*ZOMO - Motorised Units of Civic Millitia (riot police in People's Poland)
**ORMO - Volunteer Reserve of Civic Milittia (workers millitia)
***Civic Platform - ruling liberal party
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Re: Autonomus Nationalists/Strasserists

Post by Uberak on Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:22 am

Radix1944 wrote:Hello Comrades,

Are Autonomus Nationalists, Strasserists or so-called third position organistions in general our allies? For me is very interesting question, because when i read some western AN/Strasserist websites eg. http://national-revolutionary.blogspot.com/ i see that have many common with left. Even russian NS from Narodnaya Volya (ex-Volnitza) are true anticapitalist. They support workers strikes and participate in Antikap demonstration which is organised by communists. But for examle in Poland AN are totally diffrent than western or russian AN organisations. They use some anticapitalist slogans eg. "Work! Dignity! Nationalism! Let's abolish capitalism!" but on their demonstrations they shout only anticommunists slogans and claim that capitalist goverment has someting common with communism (slogan: "You were in ZOMO*, You were in ORMO**, now You support Civic Platform***)

*ZOMO - Motorised Units of Civic Millitia (riot police in People's Poland)
**ORMO - Volunteer Reserve of Civic Milittia (workers millitia)
***Civic Platform - ruling liberal party

They are just a disparate and confused array of corporatists or/and white nationalists who care more about the survival of the "white race" than their actual nation. Well, this is my experience with Americans of that sort of ideological creed. The former probably would still apply to their European counterparts as far as my knowledge goes.

Maybe, the more confused and left-leaning ones can be convinced to leave the third position and embrace some form of left-wing nationalism, and I'm actually surprised at the amount of former Strasserists/Fascists, many of whom are/were on the forum, who actually drift towards the more "libertarian" forms of socialism while retaining their nationalism. Almost as if Strasserism/National Syndicalism/any "left-sounding" form of fascism are just a weird phase that only solidifies if there is no other ideology that actually fulfills the demands of populism, nationalism, and increased worker's control. In fact, they also start to soften up at least a little bit when it comes to social issues, though that is more based on political ideals of being against state intervention than farcical displays of Social Justice. Basically, a good portion of them, at least from my experience, are just confused and searching for a non-communist form of socialism combined with nationalism, and Strasserism just happens to be the easiest of the "acceptable" ideologies to find, which is easier than outright thinking up of your own platform of ideas in a vacuum.

The autonomous nationalists are mostly Nazis who happen to use Black Bloc tactics and counter-culture to attract young people, but I never heard of them in Eastern Europe. Then again, I noticed that "autonomous nationalists" on this forum are organizing in England, and they don't seem to be Nazis. Is the Nazism in "autonomous nationalists" a purely a phenomenon of Germany and surrounding "Germanic" (Netherlands and Flanders) countries to a lesser extent?

(I hope the second paragraph doesn't offend any of our reformed third-positionists here.)
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Re: Autonomus Nationalists/Strasserists

Post by Celtiberian on Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:52 pm

Radix1944 wrote:Are Autonomus Nationalists, Strasserists or so-called third position organistions in general our allies?

As Uberak said, it really depends on the specific Strasserist or Third Positionist organization. Strasserism proper, of course, is incompatible with communism of any variety since the specific policies the Strasser brothers advocated retained authoritarian social relations, markets, and an inegalitarian distribution of the social product. There are, however, many self-proclaimed 'Strasserists,' 'Autonomous Nationalists,' 'National Bolsheviks,' and 'Third Positionists' today who, in reality, are simply confused communists who additionally espouse ethnic nationalism.

We must be careful to differentiate those Third Positionist organizations which legitimately oppose capitalism from those which merely employ anti-capitalist rhetoric. Recall that the Nazis and fascists of yesteryear were fond of utilizing anti-capitalist propaganda in order to appeal to the working class whilst never actually pursuing policies of a socialist nature. The quickest method of discerning whether an individual or organization can be viewed as a potential ally is to find out what their stance on class is. If they are in favor of eliminating the bourgeoisie in toto, thus establishing a classless society, then they can be worked with. An exclusive opposition to joint-stock and/or finance capital—the targets of classical fascism—on the other hand, is insufficient.


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Re: Autonomus Nationalists/Strasserists

Post by VLR on Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:49 pm

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Re: Autonomus Nationalists/Strasserists

Post by Celtiberian on Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:59 pm


It's clear from reading their manifesto that the National Revolutionary Alternative of the Netherlands are a communist organization. It's disconcerting that they choose to promote fascist parties (like Golden Dawn) on their website, but I find nothing objectionable about their program.

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Re: Autonomus Nationalists/Strasserists

Post by VLR on Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:31 am

That was also my thought when i read the manifesto. I don't know if they "promote" Golden dawn per se, they don't renounce them eighter which is strange for a group which says it stands on the working class side.
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Re: Autonomus Nationalists/Strasserists

Post by Rapaille on Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:51 pm

I think a clear distinction must be made between the AN groups who only copy leftist aesthetics, are only 'autonomous' in name and those who adhere to a real revolutionary autonomous nationalism. Many selfproclaimed AN groups in Europe are simply reactionary nationalists embedded in organisational and Party structures, which is ofcourse in full contradiction with the concept of autonomism and its core principles.

Furthermore it must be noted that Strasserism is quite a broad concept, considering both Gregor and Otto had different views and gone through a ideological evolution, the latter eventually shifting from a relatively 'socialist' origin to solidarist corporatism after the war.  

As far as I know the NRA does not support Golden Dawn, nor its 'Antifascist' opposition, because both function as 'usefull idiots' in the greater scheme; namely the strategy of tension set out by the political centre (the Samaras government). Their views on these kind of matters are further elaborated on in their statement regarding the dead of the French antifascist Clement Meric, killed by the French patriot Esteban (http://national-revolutionary.blogspot.nl/2013/06/clement-and-esteban-tragedy-of-idealism.html). The agitated struggle between the 'far left' and 'far right' only leads us away from the fundamental enemies; namely State and capital!

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