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Post by Modgardener on Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:33 pm

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Post by Pantheon Rising on Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:22 pm

Sounds like the English Florian Geyer, a true national hero for the peasant and common people. Smile

Thank you for sharing this bit of English history.

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Post by Modgardener on Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:09 am

Thank you Pantheon. This is the type of peoples patriotism I try to promote here in England. All too often when people think of patriotism it is all about celebrating imperialism and royalty. Yet in reality these have suppressed the ordianry people for centuries. I cannot see how the working classes gained any benefit from the British Empire, yet there were those in the upper and ruling classes who definitely benefitted.

It is people such as Wat Tyler who we need to look to in efforts to create a 'peoples patriotism' as opposed to a pomp and glory version based on misguided loyalties.
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Post by Pantheon Rising on Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:29 am

Modgardener wrote:Thank you Pantheon. This is the type of peoples patriotism I try to promote here in England. All too often when people think of patriotism it is all about celebrating imperialism and royalty. Yet in reality these have suppressed the ordianry people for centuries. I cannot see how the working classes gained any benefit from the British Empire, yet there were those in the upper and ruling classes who definitely benefitted.

Imperialism and empire building is cosmopolitan by nature, so in my own opinion it is hard for one to be a true nationalist and support it.

It is people such as Wat Tyler who we need to look to in efforts to create a 'peoples patriotism' as opposed to a pomp and glory version based on misguided loyalties.

Agreed. We need to be looking for our national heroes on the home front. May I ask your opinion on "The Diggers" or True Levellers? They were brought up on this forum before which caused me to look into them, and it seemed to me to be another very early form of socialist patriotism.

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Post by Armand Gurriere on Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:10 pm

there will always be patriotism in accordance to class struggle. It's just that there are certain sectors tend to bastardise the idea of the revolt of the poor, progressivism, revolution in order to preserve the status quo. How can there be a revolution and a national renaissance yet the status quo still preserved? Of fighting against the oligarchs without dismantling the rotten social order evenly?

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