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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:30 am

Ok guys so why is your main focus on Capitalism? I mean most people on here seem to think Capitalism is the main problem that needs to be fought against when there are many more someone could put their energy into. Such as all the governments that make unjust laws which keep everyone down. Personally, I dont know what I should exactly fight against but these asshole laws the government makes piss me off more than Capitalism.

Lets take the income tax. Pretty much every country has it. It takes money out of your pocket that you worked hard to earn and gives it to bureaucrats and politicians who do nothing useful. Many people say it helps out the working class. Bullshit. It hurts working class people because not only do they have to put up with their measly pay and with paying bills, they also have to give money to the state. The same thing is with the inheritance tax, estate tax, etc. The government forces you to give them a good part of your hard earned money upon pain of prison. If thats something not worth fighting against I dont know what is.

Then theres all the laws that stop you from having a good time. In the US ( where I sadly have to live for the moment) there are a bunch of idiotic laws about alcohol, tobacco, drugs, firearms, and prostitution. I mean in the state that I live in you have to go to a special store to buy liquor and there are limits on how much booze you can buy at once. There are actually laws in some places that say you cant light up in bars or restaurants and that you have to stand 25 feet away from a building when smoking. I mean what the fuck? To make the deal even sweeter you have to wait 5 days to buy a handgun and you need to get special permission to buy a automatic rifle. Now I dont use any drugs besides alcohol and tobacco but these drug laws are insane. I mean why the fuck do you have to prosecute a person who simply smokes weed or does a line every once in a while? I can understand heroin dealers but come on its none of the governments business what someone does in their spare time. And of course theres the moralistic nonsense about prostitution. I mean really why should the government care if you get laid by paying someone? That none of their fucking business. Yet they make laws about it and enforce them like a bunch of busybodies.

Anyways my point is the government makes and enforces a lot of laws that take away your freedoms. All I can say is these things are worth fighting against just as much as Capitalism. Bad governments are the enemies of the working class.

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Re: Anti Government

Post by Confusion on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:30 am

As I wrote in my tendency, I am anti-liberal, so I think its OK with laws against prostitution and a bunch of other things. I can however, sympathize with americans who think it is overly strict that you have to be above 21 years old to buy alcohol.

If I have understood socialist perspective correctly, it is important that restrictions on such matters is combined with gender-equality, so that differs it from Europa-style conservativism (Those american republicans might be a bit different) On prostitution, many feminists and other sees it as opposed to gender-equality.

Have anny socialist state anywhere legalized prostitution? I think not. Anarchism is a bit different off course. But isn't ideals of democracy and equality important in that camp as well? Equality between the genders, and opposition against racism and such?

Rebel Warrior 59 wrote: you have to wait 5 days to buy a handgun and you need to get special permission to buy a automatic rifle.

I don't see how anything positive can come from you acquiring a handgun or a automatic rifle.
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Post by Modgardener on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:18 pm

I still see capitalism as the root of the worlds problems. In the case of prostitution, either through financial necessity, addiction or consumerist pressure, it forces people into the sex trade. In the case of addiction the pressures of life can force people to seek escapism in the form of drugs of which they become addicted. This is because capitalism always puts a price on peoples heads, so the needy, weak and vulnerable are always the biggest losers and are neglected.

Laws are different and not all of us are going to agree with everything. Here in England smoking in bars and clubs is banned, which suits me as a non-smoker, but obviously not some of those who smoke. In a socialist society it would be possible to for the people to become more involved in the law making process, whilst under capitalism laws are often made by the few, to benefit the few.

Taxation is again an area which benefits the few under capitalism. No capitalist government is ever going to set a budget on peoples needs, as capitalism breeds greed and self interest.

To rebablance society we need to eradicate capitalism. This is the only way we can create a socialist society which will have a safety net for the vulnerable, allow ordinary folk to influence decisions and provide a budget for peoples needs.
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Re: Anti Government

Post by Anarcho-Edge on Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:09 pm

Rebel Warrior 59 wrote:Ok guys so why is your main focus on Capitalism? I mean most people on here seem to think Capitalism is the main problem that needs to be fought against when there are many more someone could put their energy into. Such as all the governments that make unjust laws which keep everyone down. Personally, I dont know what I should exactly fight against but these asshole laws the government makes piss me off more than Capitalism.

No,the state is equally as oppressive as capitalism.Ever heard of anti-statism?

And of course theres the moralistic nonsense about prostitution. I mean really why should the government care if you get laid by paying someone? That none of their fucking business. Yet they make laws about it and enforce them like a bunch of busybodies.

Prostitution is patriarchy;morals have nothing to do with it.It will destroyed by the abolition of capitalism,the state,consumerism,and money

Anyways my point is the government makes and enforces a lot of laws that take away your freedoms. All I can say is these things are worth fighting against just as much as Capitalism. Bad governments are the enemies of the working class.

Agreed.Why do you think that we don't care about government?

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Re: Anti Government

Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:52 pm

Anarcho-Edge wrote:No,the state is equally as oppressive as capitalism.Ever heard of anti-statism?

Yes Ive heard of anti statism but I havent looked into it.

Prostitution is patriarchy;morals have nothing to do with it.It will destroyed by the abolition of capitalism,the state,consumerism,and money

Oh come on dude you really think the Netherlands is a patriarchy?

Agreed.Why do you think that we don't care about government?


Well most on here seem to think Capitalism is the big bad boy, when theres lots of other shit happening.

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Re: Anti Government

Post by Red Aegis on Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:56 pm

Rebel Warrior 59 wrote:Yes Ive heard of anti statism but I havent looked into it.

Well most on here seem to think Capitalism is the big bad boy, when theres lots of other shit happening.

You're complaining about the government but haven't looked into it? That doesn't make sense at all. Maybe you should be better informed before you take stances.

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Re: Anti Government

Post by DSN on Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:48 pm

Anarcho-Edge wrote:Why do you think that we don't care about government?

There's a big difference between not liking (the) government and not caring about it.

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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:39 am

Red Aegis wrote:You're complaining about the government but haven't looked into it? That doesn't make sense at all. Maybe you should be better informed before you take stances.

I dont have to look into anti statism in order to hate the government. Knowing about what kind of laws there are is enough.

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Post by Red Aegis on Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:33 am

That is true, but when you start criticising the analysis that we subscribe to you need to actually know what we're talking about to be taken seriously. You didn't just say, "I don't like it." You said, "I don't like government and your view of the cause of the problem is wrong in some or most ways." The first statement is your opinion. The second is making a factual claim. Back your claim up.

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