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Post by Vasco Gonçalves on Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:23 pm

Along with Hitler in charge of Germany was the propaganda minister, Goebbels, the most responsible for instilling the dream in Nazi German people. This was the dream of the people living in a racially pure Greater Germany, a country with a big "lebensraum", a big living area. A part of "lebensraum", an area much larger than Germany, would be conquered in the East and incorporated into the German nation. In 1925 the book Mein Kampf, Hitler had already stated Ukraine as an integral part of the German space. Ukraine and other regions in Eastern Europe would pretencer the German nation to be able to be used in a "correct" way. According to Nazi propaganda, the German sword would liberate this land to make way for the German plow! With German technique and German companies to Ukraine would be transformed into the land producing cereals from Germany! But first the Germans had to liberate Ukraine from his people of "inferior human beings," which, according to Nazi propaganda, were used as slave labor force in homes, factories and German agriculture, in all places where the German economy needed them.

The conquest of the Ukraine and other regions of the Soviet Union necessarily implied war against the Soviet Union, which was necessary to prepare the long term. To this end the Nazi propaganda ministry, headed by Goebbels in 1934 began a campaign on an alleged genocide done by the Bolsheviks in the Ukraine, a terrible catastrophe of famine caused by Stalin would have to submit and force farmers to accept the socialist political . The goal of the Nazi campaign was to prepare world opinion for the "liberation" of the Ukraine by German troops. Despite great efforts, and although some German propaganda texts were published in the English press, the Nazi campaign of "genocide" in Ukraine was not very susseço worldwide. It was clear that Hitler Goebbels i needed help to spread the slander of the Soviet Union. The aid was found in the United States of America!

The type of crime with regard to theft, sabotage and corruption is a serious crime, but the activity of the opposition went much further. The conspiracy counter-revolutionary preparing to take power in a coup in which the entire Soviet leadership would be eliminated, starting with the assassination of the most important people of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. The military part of the coup would be realisada by a group of generals headed by Marshal Tukhachevsky. According to Isaac Deutscher, a Trotskyite who wrote several books against Stalin and the Soviet Union, the coup would be launched by a military operation against the Kremlin and against the most important troops in large cities like Moscow and Leningrad. The conspiracy was, according to Deutscher, headed by Tukhachevsky together with Gamarnik, head of political commissars in the army, General Yakir, commander of Leningrad, General Uborevich, commander of the military academy in Moscow and General Primakov one of the leaders of the cavalry.

Marshal Tukhachevsky was an officer in the former Tsarist army after the revolution that had happened to the Red Army. In 1930 about 10% of the officers, or about 4500, were former Tsarist officers. Many of them never abandoned their bourgeois outlook and just waiting for an opportunity to fight for it. The opportunity arose when the opposition was preparing to give a coup. The bolchviques were strong but the civilian and military conspirators also tried to find strong friends. According to Bukharin's confession at trial public in 1938, an agreement was reached between the Trotskyite opposition and Nazi Germany, in which large regions, including the Ukraine, would be ceded to Germany after the Nazi coup in the Soviet Union counter-revolutionary. This was the price demanded by Nazi Germany promised support to counter-revolutionaries. Boukharin had been informed of this agreement by Radek that the question had received a directive from Trotsky. All these conspirators who had been elected to high positions to lead, administer and defend socialist society were in reality working to destroy socialism. Moreover we must not forget that all this happened in the decade from 1930 when the Nazi danger was growing steadily and the Nazi armies put Europe on fire, preparing to invade the Soviet Union. The conspirators were sentenced to death as traitors in a public trial. Those found guilty of sabotage, terrorism, corruption, attempted murder and wanted to give a part of the country to the Nazis could not expect nothing else. Calling them victims is completely mistaken.

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Post by Comrade_Joe on Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:22 pm

Vasco Gonçalves wrote:Along with Hitler in charge of Germany was the propaganda minister, Goebbels, the most responsible for instilling the dream in Nazi German people. This was the dream of the people living in a racially pure Greater Germany, a country with a big "lebensraum", a big living area. A part of "lebensraum", an area much larger than Germany, would be conquered in the East and incorporated into the German nation. In 1925 the book Mein Kampf, Hitler had already stated Ukraine as an integral part of the German space. Ukraine and other regions in Eastern Europe would pretencer the German nation to be able to be used in a "correct" way. According to Nazi propaganda, the German sword would liberate this land to make way for the German plow! With German technique and German companies to Ukraine would be transformed into the land producing cereals from Germany! But first the Germans had to liberate Ukraine from his people of "inferior human beings," which, according to Nazi propaganda, were used as slave labor force in homes, factories and German agriculture, in all places where the German economy needed them.

The conquest of the Ukraine and other regions of the Soviet Union necessarily implied war against the Soviet Union, which was necessary to prepare the long term. To this end the Nazi propaganda ministry, headed by Goebbels in 1934 began a campaign on an alleged genocide done by the Bolsheviks in the Ukraine, a terrible catastrophe of famine caused by Stalin would have to submit and force farmers to accept the socialist political . The goal of the Nazi campaign was to prepare world opinion for the "liberation" of the Ukraine by German troops. Despite great efforts, and although some German propaganda texts were published in the English press, the Nazi campaign of "genocide" in Ukraine was not very susseço worldwide. It was clear that Hitler Goebbels i needed help to spread the slander of the Soviet Union. The aid was found in the United States of America!

The type of crime with regard to theft, sabotage and corruption is a serious crime, but the activity of the opposition went much further. The conspiracy counter-revolutionary preparing to take power in a coup in which the entire Soviet leadership would be eliminated, starting with the assassination of the most important people of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. The military part of the coup would be realisada by a group of generals headed by Marshal Tukhachevsky. According to Isaac Deutscher, a Trotskyite who wrote several books against Stalin and the Soviet Union, the coup would be launched by a military operation against the Kremlin and against the most important troops in large cities like Moscow and Leningrad. The conspiracy was, according to Deutscher, headed by Tukhachevsky together with Gamarnik, head of political commissars in the army, General Yakir, commander of Leningrad, General Uborevich, commander of the military academy in Moscow and General Primakov one of the leaders of the cavalry.

Marshal Tukhachevsky was an officer in the former Tsarist army after the revolution that had happened to the Red Army. In 1930 about 10% of the officers, or about 4500, were former Tsarist officers. Many of them never abandoned their bourgeois outlook and just waiting for an opportunity to fight for it. The opportunity arose when the opposition was preparing to give a coup. The bolchviques were strong but the civilian and military conspirators also tried to find strong friends. According to Bukharin's confession at trial public in 1938, an agreement was reached between the Trotskyite opposition and Nazi Germany, in which large regions, including the Ukraine, would be ceded to Germany after the Nazi coup in the Soviet Union counter-revolutionary. This was the price demanded by Nazi Germany promised support to counter-revolutionaries. Boukharin had been informed of this agreement by Radek that the question had received a directive from Trotsky. All these conspirators who had been elected to high positions to lead, administer and defend socialist society were in reality working to destroy socialism. Moreover we must not forget that all this happened in the decade from 1930 when the Nazi danger was growing steadily and the Nazi armies put Europe on fire, preparing to invade the Soviet Union. The conspirators were sentenced to death as traitors in a public trial. Those found guilty of sabotage, terrorism, corruption, attempted murder and wanted to give a part of the country to the Nazis could not expect nothing else. Calling them victims is completely mistaken.

The majority of the anti-soviet propaganda spread in the West after the II World War by the USA came from the Nazis. The example that you gave about Ukraine is an example of that but there are more. For years we've been told that Stalin intentionally starved the Ukrainian people to death and some countries officially recognize the Holodomor as a genocidal act perpetrated by Stalin against the Ukrainians. First of all, not only Ukrainians died during that crisis. Secondly, We know now that a great part of those people didn't die of starvation but rather of diseases mostly provoked by the bad weather which also destroyed the agricultural activity in Ukraine leading to the food crisis.

Another good point made by you: the trial and execution of red army officers. I am certain that everybody already heard about the Russian Liberation Army which was essentially composed by Red Army personnel. The creation of this army is the living prove that Stalin actions against the officers in 1938 were rightly took by him. There is no doubt that those men wanted to remove Stalin from the soviet power and the german invasion would be an excellent opportunity to do that. We just have to keep in mind that those officers were promoted within the regime by Trotsky and one of them had a big beef with Stalin during the polish war (Marshal Tukhachevsky). The loyalty of these man to Stalin was very dubious and it was not by chance that they were taken out in 1938 when the German intentions about USSR were pretty clear. The advance of the Nazi Germany towards the east in the late 30's left no doubts about the foreign power that would invade USSR exactly as Stalin predicted in his famous speech: "We are 50 to 100 years behind the advanced countries, We must make up this gap in 10 years. Either we do this or they crush us."

Also remember the trotskyist revolutionary defeatism during the World War II. The trotskists wanted Germany to crush USSR in order to remove Stalin from the Soviet leadership. Some of the trotskists even fought along side the germans against the soviets.

All of these reasons legitimate Stalin's actions from my point of view

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Post by Vasco Gonçalves on Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:34 pm

The majority of the anti-soviet propaganda spread in the West after the II World War by the USA came from the Nazis. The example that you gave about Ukraine is an example of that but there are more. For years we've been told that Stalin intentionally starved the Ukrainian people to death and some countries officially recognize the Holodomor as a genocidal act perpetrated by Stalin against the Ukrainians. First of all, not only Ukrainians died during that crisis. Secondly, We know now that a great part of those people didn't die of starvation but rather of diseases mostly provoked by the bad weather which also destroyed the agricultural activity in Ukraine leading to the food crisis.

Another good point made by you: the trial and execution of red army officers. I am certain that everybody already heard about the Russian Liberation Army which was essentially composed by Red Army personnel. The creation of this army is the living prove that Stalin actions against the officers in 1938 were rightly took by him. There is no doubt that those men wanted to remove Stalin from the soviet power and the german invasion would be an excellent opportunity to do that. We just have to keep in mind that those officers were promoted within the regime by Trotsky and one of them had a big beef with Stalin during the polish war (Marshal Tukhachevsky). The loyalty of these man to Stalin was very dubious and it was not by chance that they were taken out in 1938 when the German intentions about USSR were pretty clear. The advance of the Nazi Germany towards the east in the late 30's left no doubts about the foreign power that would invade USSR exactly as Stalin predicted in his famous speech: "We are 50 to 100 years behind the advanced countries, We must make up this gap in 10 years. Either we do this or they crush us."

Also remember the trotskyist revolutionary defeatism during the World War II. The trotskists wanted Germany to crush USSR in order to remove Stalin from the Soviet leadership. Some of the trotskists even fought along side the germans against the soviets.

All of these reasons legitimate Stalin's actions from my point of view

I agree with you and trotskist can't be socialist because of what they did .

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