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Post by 4thsupporter on Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:58 pm

So far what iv been told is that their a small anarchist-communist community living in Mexico, but i don't trust my sources(capitalist media and other the bourgeoisie leaning internet archives , especially after being lied to all my life about communist/Marxist theory) If anyone could enlighten me as to what tendency they are structured upon or if my idea is just completely off id appreciate it.

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Post by Celtiberian on Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:21 pm

I'm not sure if they identify themselves as anarchists, but they do adhere to many traditional socialist principles which anarchists also espouse, such as mutual aid, equality of authority, etc. They could also be classified as being left-wing nationalists, as they support the preservation of many of their indigenous Amerindian customs.

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Post by 4thsupporter on Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:43 pm

If that is the case how do they exist in Mexico which is horridly monopolized and torn by drug cartel competition? what is there basic set up?

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Post by Celtiberian on Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:59 pm

4thsupporter wrote:If that is the case how do they exist in Mexico which is horridly monopolized and torn by drug cartel competition? what is there basic set up?

They're engaged in a civil war over Chiapas with the Mexican government. Regarding their internal arrangement, they've essentially organized an autonomous zone based upon socialist principles. (To my knowledge, the governance of the territory is handled in a highly democratic fashion.) As for narcotic cartels, drugs and even alcohol are strictly prohibited in the Zapatista territory. I don't know if there is much actual production occurring in the area controlled by the Zapatistas, aside from that of individual peasant and cooperative agricultural.

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Post by 4thsupporter on Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:05 pm

Thanks for the information and i have to support them if their fight imperialism especially in such a capitalist ravaged country as Mexico is, good to know are ideas are still being put into practice right in the face of the free market

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Post by Celtiberian on Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:17 pm

4thsupporter wrote:Thanks for the information

No problem at all, comrade.

and i have to support them if their fight imperialism especially in such a capitalist ravaged country as Mexico is, good to know are ideas are still being put into practice right in the face of the free market

I agree. As socialists, I think we have a responsibility to support any movement as courageous and progressive as the Zapatista Army of National Liberation.

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Post by Red Aegis on Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:48 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5C_P8Lm1So
This is a pretty good documentary on the subject. I hope that it helps.

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Post by 4thsupporter on Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:17 pm

Thanks man ill be sure to watch it when i have the time

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