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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by 4thsupporter on Wed May 09, 2012 6:56 pm

Comrade Tito wrote:GDR was not nazbol. And Diktatur is a creepy dictatorship racist fetishist?

That would explain his restricted status comrade, but i recommend not using personal insults it makes the forum look bad.

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Post by Pantheon Rising on Wed May 09, 2012 7:55 pm

The hell is Aryan communism?

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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by 4thsupporter on Wed May 09, 2012 7:58 pm

comrade i have no clue in hell what aryan communism is

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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by Pantheon Rising on Wed May 09, 2012 8:08 pm

4thsupporter wrote:comrade i have no clue in hell what aryan communism is

Wait, wait, wait. I know now.



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Post by 4thsupporter on Wed May 09, 2012 8:11 pm

ahh now it all makes sense, fox news always has the awnsers Rolling Eyes

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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by Pantheon Rising on Wed May 09, 2012 8:19 pm

Hehe Diktatur seems to think so Very Happy

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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by Modgardener on Sat May 12, 2012 2:18 pm

An excellent booklet entitled ' Stasi Hell or Workers Paradise' tells of life in the former DDR from actual DDR citizens and not through the eyes of capitalist interpreters.
It's published by Art Publications
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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by 4thsupporter on Sun May 13, 2012 1:07 am

Modgardener wrote:An excellent booklet entitled ' Stasi Hell or Workers Paradise' tells of life in the former DDR from actual DDR citizens and not through the eyes of capitalist interpreters.
It's published by Art Publications

I have to thank you comrade for guiding me(and many other comrades,im sure) to information not spoiled by the bias of corporate media. I honestly think a thread should be started just for locating and sharing works on the subjects of past socialist experiments.

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Stalinism

Post by Egalitarian on Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:37 am

Some questions regarding the ideology's practice:

1.) Can the Soviet Union's whole ideological lifespan be considered Stalinist or was it restricted to just the era of Stalin himself?

2.) Were other Soviet states (such as the DDR) Stalinist in character for partly or all of their time?

3.) Can states like North Korea be called Stalinist truthfully?
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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by Comrade Tito on Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:48 am

It depends on how you define Stalinist. The post-Stalin era was a lot freer and better in my opinion despite the corruption in the leadership and I wouldn't describe it as "Stalinist".

North Korea is not Stalinist, its ideology, Juche is the closest thing to Nazism in today's world. Even when it had a decent economy before 1991 diplomats from DDR (who experienced Nazism personally) described North Korea as creepily similiar to Nazi Germany.

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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by DSN on Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:58 pm

Egalitarian wrote:Some questions regarding the ideology's practice:

1.) Can the Soviet Union's whole ideological lifespan be considered Stalinist or was it restricted to just the era of Stalin himself?

Well I don't know too much about post-Stalin USSR (although I fail to see how it represented socialism towards the end of its lifespan), but this certainly answers the question:

Mikhail Gorbachev wrote:My ambition was to liquidate communism, the dictatorship over all the people. Supporting me and urging me on in this mission was my wife, who was of this opinion long before I was. I knew that I could only do this if I was the leading functionary. In this my wife urged me to climb to the top post. While I actually became acquainted with the West, my mind was made up forever. I decided that I must destroy the whole apparatus of the CPSU and the USSR. Also, I must do this in all of the other socialist countries. My ideal is the path of social democracy. Only this system shall benefit all the people. This quest I decided I must fulfil.

I found friends that had the same thoughts as I in Yakovlev and Shevernadze, they all deserve to be thanked for the break-up of the USSR and the defeat of Communism.

World without communism is going to be much better. After year 2000 the world will be much better, because it shall develop and prosper. But there are countries which shall try to struggle against this. China for one. I was in Peking during the time of the protests on Tienanmen Square, where I really thought that Communism in China is going to crash. I sternly demanded of the Chinese leadership that I want to speak to the protesters, but they did not allow me to do so. If Communism would fall in China, all the world would be better off, and on the road to peace.

I wanted to save the USSR, but only under social democracy rule. This I could not do. Yeltsin wanted power, he did not know anything about democracy or what I intended to do. We wanted the democratic USSR to have rights and freedom.

Then Yeltsin broke up the USSR and at that time I was not in the Kremlin, all the newspaper reporters asked me whether I shall cry? I did not cry, because I really managed to destroy Communism in the USSR, and also in all other European Socialist countries. I did not cry, because I knew that I fulfilled my main aim, that was the defeat of communism in Europe. But you must also know, that communism must be defeated in Asia also, to make the transition quicker to democracy and freedom in the whole world.

The liquidation of the USSR is not beneficial to the USA, since they have now no mighty democratic country (the former USSR) which I wanted to call the Union of Independent Sovereign Republics. I could not accomplish all of this. All the small countries now are thanking the USA for the help. I wanted the USA and the former USSR to be partners without the scourge of Communism, these could have been the ruling countries of the world. The road towards democracy will be a long one, but it is coming very quickly. The whole world must now defeat the last remnants of communism!
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2.) Were other Soviet states (such as the DDR) Stalinist in character for partly or all of their time?

I'll have to skip this one... I should imagine DDR worked along the same lines as the USSR did in Russia.

3.) Can states like North Korea be called Stalinist truthfully?

DPRK is simply another state ruled by a bunch of nutcases from what I can see. The only people who take North Korea seriously are... well, North Korea. If we take 'Marxism-Leninism' to be Stalin's interpretation of Marx and Lenin's ideas, then probably not considering the fact that they replaced their official state ideology with Juche in 1972, although they obviously still place a connection between the two. They refer to it as a "creative application of Marxism-Leninism." Personally I would limit the use of terms such as 'Stalinism' to Stalin himself and nothing more, as these terms become so important yet so meaningless when passed from one to another.

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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by Leon Mcnichol on Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:44 am

I really doubt that, even if Gorbachev wrote that, he was being sincere. To me he simply failed in his reforms and lost total control of what was happening. He was naive, and probably tries to justify his position back then with mere opportunistic revisionism. Mind you, he could not say otherwise, after all, he is very lucky for being alive.
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Re: Deutschland Democratic Republic and other states of the Soviet Union

Post by Lumpenproletariat on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:32 pm

The Deutsche Demokratische Republik was by no means a socialist state. It was merely state capitalism run and organized by a small group of pseudo-socialist party-vanguard-bourgeoise. The DDR facilities didn't have supervisiors oder foremen hassling the workers but designated party members. Furthermore there was the Staatssicherheit, a truly orwellian agency. If you for what reason ever were suspected of having antisocialist tendecies they would start reading your letters, bugging your apartment and telephone, preventing you from going to college, interviewing your family, friends and neighbors, or putting you in jail or in internment camps if you were a youngster. They would record your every step for many, many years. The Deutsche Demokratische Republik was a country that perverted the ideas of socialism making it easy for Western German capitalist dimwits to discredit the ideas of socialism up to this very day. You won't find a talkshowhost not promoting the idea of socialism as a cruel and inhuman system by nature.
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