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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by Pantheon Rising on Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:37 pm

To me, race mixing is fine as long as they go do it elsewhere and live in their own autonomous zones. It only becomes a problem when the bourgeois media shove it down our throats and put it in all their TV shows and commercials.

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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:06 pm

B Bill wrote:Well, I know little of Hungary but I know something of Hungarians as my best friend from school is born of parents who came to Britain from Hungary. My friend married a Hungarian gypsy he met when visiting Hungary. They live in Britain and have two sons who are 50% Hungarian and 50% gypsy. Where would these people live in the Hungarian state you imagine? Would the husband live in the larger Hungarian nation and the wife in this 'reservation' you speak of? And what of their sons? Would they be considered 'mixed' and have to live in a reservation of their own? And what of my friends grand children who are born of a half hungarian, half gypsy father and an English mother? Would there be a home for them in your new Hungary?

What about Hungarians of Vojvodina in Serbia? Would they be welcomed into your new Hungary or would you expect Serbia to create 'reservations' for them to live in? Or would you expect Serbia to cede lands which are home to significant Hungarian populations to your new Hungary?


A family like this would not be allowed to enter the Hungarian state I imagine.

As for Hungarians in Vojvodina: I can get more into it if you like but Id rather do it on another thread ( since it would sidetrack this one). But I will say that ( like most Hungarian Nationalists) I am an irredentist when it comes to the question of border disputes regarding my country and the Little Entente states.

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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by TheocWulf on Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:22 am

B Bill wrote:There are many examples through history of the sort of population transfers you advocate. Of the top of my head I can think of those in India following it's independance from Britain, those in Fascist Italy, the transfer of native Americans to reservations, those between Turkey and Greece in the 20's and, of course, the recent situation in fromer Yugoslavia. Each case is marked by it's inhumane and brutal treatment of people. Imparctical, for one, because such treatment of people leaves a legacy of bitterness lasting for generations, sometimes leading to conflict. How do you propose transfering several million unwilling people from Britain without authoritairianism? In fact, how would it be done if not, ultimately, at gun point? Do you want Class war or Race war?

I disagree that the non-whites who came here since the 50's, their children, grand children and great grand children have not assimilated. Most have, although I would agree that some haven't this is, in most cases, the fault of the capitalist system which works best when it's workers are divided along lines of race and or religion rather than united as a class.

I am still at a loss to understand the cultural, linguistic and ethnic erosion you claim is happening in Britain that is caused by the presence of non-whites. Could you please give examples?

In the city I come from and most other large popullation centres there are suburbs with a distinct Irish culture where the decendants of people who came here in the 50's still live in the same streets that their great grand parents settled. They maintain a distinct culture which is most certainly 'non-indiginous' and, indeed, alien to Britain. To a certain degree and to certain people, this is almost invisible;- but of course, these people are white. Perhaps it is skin colour which concerns you most in this matter?

Well I did say they would form autonumus community not be expelled from our nation didnt I.I see no reason why such a move would cause the turmoil you speak of I have no doubt there would be a level of hostility but in the main I think already majority non native communitys would benefit and may not even notice the change.

You say you dont see this cultural erosion I see it everywhere,Take that London as an example the traditional Cockney accents has now almost entirely moved to places like Essex,Heartfordshire,Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire and being replaced by what people call Jafican is that not erosion?.Also the very make up of areas has or is changed take places like Brixton and Leicester for (just two examples) instance these areas used to be very traditional native working class areas that had strong traditions where familys had lived for generations but now have become almost autonumus commuintys in there own right by proxy.When you walk round London or any other major in England city does it strike you as an English city?.

As for the rest of your post thats just your opinion and ive made my posistion clear.

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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by TheocWulf on Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:58 pm

I of course forgot to metion that even fellow Indigeonus people could form Autonumus Religious communitys if they liked but of course the level of autonomy they would have would be dependant on a number of factors.

I only bring this up as im re reading this thread it sounds like these communitys are more like nazi ghettos, and thats something nobody would like and on the whole Id like people to live in communitys where they feel welcome and wish to be a part of with people of similar outlooks,standards and belifes and be part of vibrant peacefull communitys.

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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by Xanthochroid on Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:54 am

Rebel Warrior 59 wrote:Im not British so I cant answer your question ( since I barely know anything about your country). Not to mention I could honestly care less about what Britain does with its immigrants.

But since you seem to be asking in general, I will say what I think should be done in my homeland. I would like to see all Non Hungarian immigration to Hungary be banned. I would also like to see every single Slovak, Romanian, Serbian, Jewish, Chinese, Arab, and Negro person sent back to their home country. I know most people on here will hate me for writing this but that is my opinion. These groups ( as a whole) are simply nuisances at best and national security threats at worst ( especially in the case of Slovaks, Romanians, and Serbs). As for Gypsies, I would have them live in their own autonomous reservations ( since they cant be deported anywhere). I would let some national minorities stay ( such as Germans and Slovenes) but they would be regarded as guests and not citizens. Only an ethnically Hungarian person could be a Hungarian citizen. These are my ( pretty extreme I must say) views on immigration and multiculturalism.

Akarom mondani hogy en is Magyar (Amerikai-Magyar) vagyok Rebel Warrior 59, bocs hogy nem tudom hogy kel valtosztatni a betuket.

I agree with this platform for Magyarorszag.

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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by Xanthochroid on Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:12 am

B Bill wrote:I don't understand what you mean by saying our ancient culture, language and ethnicity is being eroded. Neither culture, language or ethnicity are static things, they evolve, develope and change constantly. Culture and language change by the decade whereas ethnicitys change may take millenia but never the less they are not static. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you but it would be helpful if you could give examples of this erosion and demonstrate how it is caused by the presence of non-white (because that's what you appear to be talking about) people.

As Admin seems to share my concerns about the sort of changes you advocate perhaps you could address the impracticality, inhumanity, brutality and authoritairianism required to carry out these changes. Do you not think these are characteristics a 'good leftist' should reject?

Also, you characterise non-whites as 'newcomers' when in fact most were born in this country and have family roots going back over half a century and several generations in Britain. How long/many generations before they become acceptable, if ever?

I am afraid I have to reject your claim that 'newcomers' are 'supported' by capitalists. The overwhelming majority are workers like any other and exploited by, not supported by capitalists.

To one extent or another, all politics begin with the personal. Do you not think you are putting your personal feelings about black people (that they erode your language, culture and ethnicity) before the greater good of the working class of this country?

Language may be evolutionary, but its original developers (its traditionally associated ethnic group) should have complete determination over what paths the tongue they speak shall take. Those immigrants are still newcomers in terms of ethnicity, which is still an area of self-determination recognized under left-wing nationalism. To argue that such a revolutionary realignment of society's makeup should not be undertaken to correct capitalism's wrongs due to certain bourgeoise rights is not what a good leftist would argue. By the way, capitalism does support newcomers as a globalized market and labor force allows for the influx of merit and talent that proves helpful to improving the system. They just don't care that this also destroys linguistic, cultural, and ethnic homogenity. And i'm pretty sure TheocWulf is thinking very much about the working class.......his fellow English workers that is. Which is all he needs to care about.

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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by TheRedSquirrel on Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:04 pm

B Bill wrote:I've spent several hours over the past few days reading this forum and have a few basic questions.

It appears that most people here are opposed to both mass immigration and multi culturalism. What does that mean in practice in a country like mine (Britain) which has seen massive immigration and which is, by default 'multi cultural'?

Are those who aren't indiginous British to leave the country?

Compulsary social conformation or repatriation of all non-indigenous. An island like Britain is too small to allow anything else, if we don't convert them then their high birth rate - a common trait of their foreign cultures - will swamp us, and if not us, then definitely our children.

I hark at any so-called patriotic Briton who believes in giving immigrants their own autunomous communities, this is what the Liberals & Capitalists are doing now! There's no surer way of annihilating the future of our folk than this.

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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by TheocWulf on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:51 am

TheRedSquirrel wrote:Compulsary social conformation or repatriation of all non-indigenous. An island like Britain is too small to allow anything else, if we don't convert them then their high birth rate - a common trait of their foreign cultures - will swamp us, and if not us, then definitely our children.

I hark at any so-called patriotic Briton who believes in giving immigrants their own autunomous communities, this is what the Liberals & Capitalists are doing now! There's no surer way of annihilating the future of our folk than this.

So your plan is to either pretend they have have assimilated or repatriate? where are you going to repatriate a 6th generaton west indian to?

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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by Xanthochroid on Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:37 pm

Th West Indies? scratch

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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by Balkan Beast on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:05 am

How exactly are people going to be repatriated?
Either leave or face the barrel of a gun?
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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by Celtiberian on Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:16 am

TheRedSquirrel wrote:Compulsary social conformation or repatriation of all non-indigenous. An island like Britain is too small to allow anything else, if we don't convert them then their high birth rate - a common trait of their foreign cultures - will swamp us, and if not us, then definitely our children.

That is an utterly childish proposal. Coercing people into conforming to a culture has never been an effective or ethical strategy, and forced repatriation is completely unjust given the circumstances which brought immigrants to the UK in the first place (e.g., British capitalists encouraging foreign workers to immigrate to the nation in order to flood the labor market, thereby weakening the relative power of labor). Assisted repartition should perhaps be a long-term goal, but it should be entirely voluntary in nature.

There's no surer way of annihilating the future of our folk than this.

The future of any people depends upon the emphasis they place on maintaining their ethnocultural heritage. Capitalism has developed in such a way that securing adequate employment has become quite difficult, and that has had negative repercussions for maintaining environments conducive to reproduction. Superficial consumerist values have also eclipsed our other human attributes, family life being among them. The struggle for socialism, therefore, is essential for the future of every nationality. Forced repatriation simply isn't going to do anything to assist in increasing British birthrates or preserving British culture.

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Re: Multi culturalism andd mass immigration

Post by Red & White on Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:45 pm

B Bill wrote:I don't understand what you mean by saying our ancient culture, language and ethnicity is being eroded. Neither culture, language or ethnicity are static things, they evolve, develope and change constantly. Culture and language change by the decade whereas ethnicitys change may take millenia but never the less they are not static. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you but it would be helpful if you could give examples of this erosion and demonstrate how it is caused by the presence of non-white (because that's what you appear to be talking about) people.

Of course these things change gradually, but the whole crux of the matter is that culture/language/ethnicity etc. of Western Europe is changing not at a natural rate, but at a rate that is totally engineered by vested interests. Namely capitalists and liberal ruling elites. The mass immigration into the UK since the late 1950's is unequalled in human history. So it's ludicrous to say that "nothing much has changed" when in just 50 years, the UK has gone from being virtually 100% Native British to having a completely multiracial society, where the Native British, who have been in the British Isles since the last Ice Age, are now just treated as any other ethnic group that happens to live in the UK.

Everyone makes big noises about the Native Americans, Australian Aborigenies, Tibetans and all other indigenous peoples who see their way of life threatened. But somehow the rights of indigenous people to be respected in the homelands doesn't apply to people if their skin is white?

The link below is just one example, but a very pertinent one, of how the Native British are suffering in the name of the absurd, and evil, doctrine of multiculturalism:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249303/The-town-150-languages-spoken.html



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Post by Modgardener on Sat May 12, 2012 7:48 am

As far as I can see we live in a multicultural society, but need to preserve national culture and identity that are being lost. We have to do this without resorting to any form of racial or ethnic extremism or discrimaination.

Regarding mass immigration, my views are based purely on sustainability. To survive we need sustainable societies and to allow mass immigration is not coherent with this. Again I would not suggest discrimination on racial grounds but an immigration policy that is sustainable.

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