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Post by Admin on Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:17 am


A number of contemporary Western 'socialists' (particularly so-called libertarian socialists) are proponents of what is euphemistically referred to as "free love". At the most basic level, this position merely rejects the institution of marriage. However, many "free love" advocates can be also found in opposition to monogamous relationships and other associated (virtually universal) social norms.

I find this tendency within various contemporary 'leftist' circles to constitute yet another corrosive element to the overall cause of socialism. I also find the rationale behind such sentiments to be analogous to the typical reasoning behind 'leftist' opposition to left-wing nationalism. (An otherwise reasonable critique of a social construct that has been corrupted by capitalist social relations is misappropriated to serve as the ethical foundation for a set of principles directed against all manifestations — regardless of how benevolent and evacuated of bourgeois influence they may be — of said social construct.)

Why is it that so many contemporary Western 'leftists' find it pertinent to take such strong positions on matters that are incidental to socialism and alienate so much of the international proletariat? What do you think accounts for this bourgeois antagonism towards the values of the working class?

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Re: The libertine 'socialists'

Post by Celtiberian on Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:20 pm

The obsession among certain activists on the far left with advocating the abolition of marriage, and even monogamy, stems from various sources. One of them is the ridiculous, so-called "sex-positive" faction of the feminist movement, which considers the very institution of marriage to be patriarchal—while ironically viewing the sex industry as being "empowering" for women. Another source of hostility toward marriage and monogamy comes from certain radical segments of the LGBT community, which possess an almost pathological hatred of anything related to heterosexual norms. Still another source is crude economism, which takes an ahistorical and non-biological approach to the matter of human pair bonding, and believes sexual relations can somehow be explained using the base/superstructure method commonly utilized in historical materialism. (Certainly some aspects of the contemporary institution of marriage can be explained using Marxian base/superstructure analysis, but it cannot adequately explain the psychological origins of monogamy or marriage.)

One final source of this phenomenon is sexual frustration. A substantial portion of the young males (typically from petit-bourgeois backgrounds) who partake in left-wing activism today, in my experience, can be quite effeminate and unsuccessful with women. Instead of acknowledging that they may be physically and/or psychologically unattractive to the opposite sex, they take out their frustration on the entire system—often fantasizing that, after the revolution, "free love" will become commonplace, thereby increasing the likelihood of them finally having fulfilling sex lives.

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Re: The libertine 'socialists'

Post by TheocWulf on Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:22 am

Exellent thread guys
Along side its minorityism this is another factor why the working class are turning away from the left in there droves.We live in interesting times comrades on one hand people are walking away from the traditional left and the church for example becuse they no longer feel that these institutions cater for themselves or there community and are pandering to every kind of minority issue and perversion.But on the other hand they allow the system through the media to send the same messages that destroy our traditional values to the young everyday through the media,schools,workplace ect.If any of you non English/UK lads and lasses watch our soap operas you will see what I mean some of the story lines are just so far from our shared folk values you would have to be daft to belive that there is no agenda at work.

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Re: The libertine 'socialists'

Post by Pantheon Rising on Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:49 am

I actually saw one thread on RevLeft where some guy was talking about abolishing marriage. WTF? You're gunna go around to everyone's home and make sure they aren't marrying each other?

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Re: The libertine 'socialists'

Post by TheocWulf on Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:40 am

Pantheon Rising wrote:I actually saw one thread on RevLeft where some guy was talking about abolishing marriage. WTF? You're gunna go around to everyone's home and make sure they aren't marrying each other?

Ah rev left and there crazy ideas.So there going to come round and unmarry my wife and I come the revolution,How tolerant of them Rolling Eyes

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Re: The libertine 'socialists'

Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:45 pm

Indeed. Such people are just as useless to Socialism as religious ( or anti religious) fanatics, misogynists ( or man haters), chauvinists ( or cosmopolitans), etc. If your a homosexual that is fine and dandy but please dont let that fact get mixed up with Socialist ( as well as Nationalist) activities. Same goes for all like categories.

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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:50 pm

Oh and for the record I think the obsession with homsexuals ( and other LGBT categories) is because far too many Socialists happen to be moonstruck intellectuals or students.

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