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Post by TheocWulf on Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:20 pm

ETA is considered to form part of what is informally known as the Basque National Liberation Movement, a movement born much after ETA's creation.
Perhaps this hap hazard some times cooperateing left and right wing political parties is the perfrect synthasis between the left and right,and perhaps if they ever came to an understanding,a social nationalist Basque state?.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_National_Liberation_Movement

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Re: Basque National Liberation Movement

Post by Celtiberian on Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:32 pm

All of the groups associated with the Basque National Liberation Movement appear to be left-wing nationalists. Of course, there are also various right-wing organizations in the Basque country which support separatism, but none of them would ever consider supporting an avowedly Marxist group like ETA. The Basque Country is a peculiar region, wherein the older generation is fairly conservative and religious (relative to other regions of Northern Spain), while the youth are quite secular and radical.

Personally, I've always supported Basque, Catalan, Asturian, and Galician independence. Anyone familiar with the history and various cultures which constitute modern Spain realize just how artificial the Spanish republic truly is. The cultural renaissance that has been taking place in the aforementioned regions is very encouraging and I'm sure that independence will eventually be achieved.

I don't think there is a "perfect synthesis" to be attained between the Left and Right. I don't consider any of my views to be syncretic, I'm a leftist.



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Post by TheocWulf on Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:04 pm

Celtiberian wrote:All of the groups associated with the Basque National Liberation Movement appear to be left-wing nationalists. Of course, there are also various right-wing organizations in the Basque country which support separatism, but none of them would ever consider supporting an avowedly Marxist group like ETA. The Basque Country is a peculiar region, wherein the older generation is fairly conservative and religious (relative to other regions of Northern Spain), while the youth are quite secular and radical.

Personally, I've always supported Basque, Catalan, Asturian, and Galician independence. Anyone familiar with the history and various cultures which constitute modern Spain realize just how artificial the Spanish republic truly is. The cultural renaissance that has been taking place in the aforementioned regions is very encouraging and I'm sure that independence will eventually be achieved.

I don't think there is a "perfect synthesis" to be attained between the Left and Right. I don't consider any of my views to be syncretic, I'm a leftist.



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Good post comrade
The reason I used the term synthesis is becuse these groups dont formally work together but in the eyes of Basque people each one or some of these diffrent orgainistions cater for what they want for a Basque community under the umbrella of ETA and national libertaion.

I cant really speak for the rest of the regions in Spain but ive been to the Baque region a couple of times and even in the mountains(I saw it on large rock in the Picos De Europa) and countryside there is pro ETA/Pro Basque independance graffiti and more traditional right wing graffiti (Europa blanka ect) they are indeed a proud people and id say your observation of them being left wing nationalist correct.In my opinion they may be the most radical population in Europe.

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Post by Celtiberian on Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:34 pm

TheocWulf wrote:The reason I used the term synthesis is becuse these groups dont formally work together but in the eyes of Basque people each one or some of these diffrent orgainistions cater for what they want for a Basque community under the umbrella of ETA and national libertaion.

Well, as I mentioned in my previous post, many older Basques are quite conservative and therefore tend to support right-wing separatist organizations, like the Basque Nationalist Party. However, this demographic is obviously aging and, consequently, its influence in Basque politics is declining. Thus, the nationalist movement in region will continue in its leftist trajectory.

I cant really speak for the rest of the regions in Spain but ive been to the Baque region a couple of times and even in the mountains(I saw it on large rock in the Picos De Europa) and countryside there is pro ETA/Pro Basque independance graffiti and more traditional right wing graffiti (Europa blanka ect) they are indeed a proud people and id say your observation of them being left wing nationalist correct.In my opinion they may be the most radical population in Europe.

I think they are most likely the most radical nationalist population in Europe as well, perhaps second only to the Irish. Part of my family is actually from the Basque Country, though most of my relatives are from Asturias (a province in northwestern Spain), and all of them are staunch separatists. In fact, the only Basques, Asturians, Catalans, Galicians, and Cantabrians I've spoken with who don't support independence were reactionary Spanish Nationalists, but they're few and far between.


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Post by TheocWulf on Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:23 pm

Celtiberian wrote:I think they are most likely the most radical nationalist population in Europe as well, perhaps second only to the Irish. Part of my family is actually from the Basque Country, though most of my relatives are from Asturias (a province in northwestern Spain), and all of them are staunch separatists. In fact, the only Basques, Asturians, Catalans, Galicians, and Cantabrians I've spoken with who don't support independence were reactionary Spanish Nationalists, but they're few and far between.

An intresting group of people to say the least Id like to see all groups of historic people to have there own nation be they Basques,Welsh,Palestinians,Cornish,Cheroke,Bretons ect ect if that is what they wish or to remain in existing unions (the UK,Spain,France ect ect) If they so wish with more or the same ammount of autonamy.

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Post by Celtiberian on Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:44 pm

TheocWulf wrote:Id like to see all groups of historic people to have there own nation be they Basques,Welsh,Palestinians,Cornish,Cheroke,Bretons ect ect if that is what they wish or to remain in existing unions (the UK,Spain,France ect ect) If they so wish with more or the same ammount of autonamy.

I agree. Ultimately, it should be the democratic will of the people which determines the amount of autonomy their nation has. The right to national self-determination is one of the most important freedoms which will be achieved in the proletarian revolution.

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