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RevLefters: Questions for YOU

Post by Coach on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:38 pm

Why do you cling to middle class liberals in Popular Fronts, or don't seriously challenge those who do this?

Why do you cling to "Left" groups that have abandoned and held its collective nose up to the worse off workers, oppressed peoples and youth at the bottom of society, as demonstrated clearly during England's rebellion recently?

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Post by Rev Scare on Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:03 pm

The greatest flaw with contemporary leftism is that it assumes that upholding cosmopolitanism is in fact a left-wing characteristic.

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Re: RevLefters: Questions for YOU

Post by Coach on Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:05 pm

Rev Scare wrote:The greatest flaw with contemporary leftism is that it assumes that upholding cosmopolitanism is in fact a left-wing characteristic.

Yes, how exactly does cosmopolitanism challenge capitalism?

In fact, does majority of the current Left even try to challenge capitalism anymore? I don't think so.

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Re: RevLefters: Questions for YOU

Post by Bladridigan on Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:27 pm

Coach wrote:Yes, how exactly does cosmopolitanism challenge capitalism?

In fact, does majority of the current Left even try to challenge capitalism anymore? I don't think so.

Hence the quotation in your signature. I'm of the opinion that both extremes of the political spectrum have become similar in that they both complain incessantly about 'the system' whilst doing little or nothing to fight it. That is, if they're not actually supporting the system in one way or another.

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Re: RevLefters: Questions for YOU

Post by creeper on Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:30 am

Why do you cling to middle class liberals in Popular Fronts, or don't seriously challenge those who do this?

Not all communist, and especially not anarchists, support the popular front tactic. I don't. As for presenting a "serious challenge" to the tactic, maybe you could give me an example of what a "serious challenge" would be, I mean, the debate is had every time it is suggested, but I think the "popular front" is only an accepted tactic of the most textbook marxist-leninists, and many other people just flat out reject it, and don't work in them.

Why do you cling to "Left" groups that have abandoned and held its collective nose up to the worse off workers, oppressed peoples and youth at the bottom of society, as demonstrated clearly during England's rebellion recently?

I don't know of any anarchist groups who condemned the disenfranchised British workers who rioted recently. Only a minority of communist groups got behind the bourgeoise media with the "scum" line, or the left-wing equivalent; "lumpen".

Yes, how exactly does cosmopolitanism challenge capitalism?

I'm sorry, what exactly do you mean when you say "cosmopolitanism"?

In fact, does majority of the current Left even try to challenge capitalism anymore?

Well, there is "The Left" and there is "the left", as in the official Communist and Socialist parties, along with the labor unions, and then there are other, real revolutionary groups. The official organizations have been absorbed by capitalism, because their job has become negotiation for workers against bosses, its their job, so they sustain capitalism to stay in business. There are still people and organizations that are finding new ways to fight capitalism, and support people who are fighting capitalism.

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Re: RevLefters: Questions for YOU

Post by That Annoying Commie on Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:28 pm

Those questions are quite disingenuous. I don't support the popular front tactic, and I would never throw support to organizations that condemn the people who need our support the most.

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Re: RevLefters: Questions for YOU

Post by No_Leaders on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:55 am

I don't cling to the notion of "Popular fronts" I'm an anarchist and do not support such silly notions. A politician is a politician and also a statist and capitalist. Therefore they are no friends to me. As for the riots? Everyone i know were behind them as it shows the most oppressed and marginalized people in british society resisting against policies of the rich elite. It shows just what capitalism does.

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