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Re: Žižek!

Post by Coach on Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:03 pm

I heard this strange rumor on revLeft that Lady Gaga is now close friends with Mr. Žižek.
Of course, that could mean anything or nothing.

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Re: Žižek!

Post by Admin on Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:31 am

Coach wrote:I heard this strange rumor on revLeft that Lady Gaga is now close friends with Mr. Žižek.
Of course, that could mean anything or nothing.

If that is indeed the case, Lady Gaga has a lot more intellectual depth than I would have ordinarily given her credit for.
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Re: Žižek!

Post by Rev Scare on Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:10 am

Quite the colorful character. His rambling style and psychoanalytical approach are, in my opinion, needless and obfuscatory, but he is nonetheless an insightful individual.


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Re: Žižek!

Post by Rev Scare on Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:22 am

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Coach wrote:I heard this strange rumor on revLeft that Lady Gaga is now close friends with Mr. Žižek.
Of course, that could mean anything or nothing.

If that is indeed the case, Lady Gaga has a lot more intellectual depth than I would have ordinarily given her credit for.

I would be hesitant to attribute any "intellectual depth" to Lady Gaga apart from a mere "creative" curiosity in Žižek's animated social analyses. Let us not forget that we are dealing with a waste product of American commercial culture and that such a byproduct lives in a fantasy world of "creative" expression and engages in "critical" insight only insofar as it satisfies metaphysical whims.

In any case, I have found two articles on the matter:

Lady Gaga and Slavoj Žižek Are Buddies

This article links to:

Slavoj Žižek and Lady Gaga Aren't Friends

This is, admittedly, a relief, as I could not reconcile such a paradoxical reality for a long time to come, if ever. It would eat away at me.

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Re: Žižek!

Post by Admin on Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:46 am

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Admin wrote:
Coach wrote:I heard this strange rumor on revLeft that Lady Gaga is now close friends with Mr. Žižek.
Of course, that could mean anything or nothing.

If that is indeed the case, Lady Gaga has a lot more intellectual depth than I would have ordinarily given her credit for.

I would be hesitant to attribute any "intellectual depth" to Lady Gaga apart from a mere "creative" curiosity in Žižek's animated social analyses. Let us not forget that we are dealing with a waste product of American commercial culture and that such a byproduct lives in a fantasy world of "creative" expression and engages in "critical" insight only insofar as it satisfies metaphysical whims.

In any case, I have found two articles on the matter:

Lady Gaga and Slavoj Žižek Are Buddies

This article links to:

Slavoj Žižek and Lady Gaga Aren't Friends

This is, admittedly, a relief, as I could not reconcile such a paradoxical reality for a long time to come, if ever. It would eat away at me.

Yes, the whole notion struck me as quite implausible. I really know nothing of Lady Gaga, apart from her status as yet another contrived pop cultural icon and thus could cannot comment upon her ideological disposition. (Though I don't find it at all presumptuous to assume that is certainly not a socialist.)

In terms of Zizek, I too share your criticism of his psychoanalytic reductionism on many subjects. His rambling oratory, however, is most likely a simple byproduct of his own eccentric character. In print, you will find that his ideas are coherent and rather intriguing.
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Re: Žižek!

Post by Isakenaz on Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:30 am

I agree with admin over his 'madcap' style (which I hasten to add I find enjoyable if a little difficult to keep up with), but his writings seem to contain the essence of what he is trying to say without all the distractions of his over-enthusiastic personality. Just started to read 'Violence', I don't understand 80% of it (but then it is philosophy confused ), and I assume it will take several readings before clarication comes, but the bits I do understand seem totaly acceptable and beneficial. I would recommend his writings to anyone contemplating the 'misleadership' of the left (Coach) there is much in his ideas to agree with (especialy his descriptions of Gates and Soros as "Liberal-Communists"!).
Like I say what I've read so far is excellant, thought provoking and already providing discussion between my wife and me. He uses loads of examples to illustate his points, often funny, often confusing, but eventually becoming relevant to the point he's trying to make.
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Re: Žižek!

Post by Celtiberian on Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:21 am

Admin wrote:If that is indeed the case, Lady Gaga has a lot more intellectual depth than I would have ordinarily given her credit for.

It appears as though the extent of Lady Gaga's relationship with Žižek is her support for a strike his union is currently engaged in, and Žižek offering a few complementary remarks regarding her music and fabricating some sort of philosophical depth for her (in reality, capricious and meaningless) choice in fashion.

Like Grigori Rasputin, I believe Slavoj Žižek's personality contains a few of the mysterious and intriguing qualities which certain women find captivating.


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Re: Žižek!

Post by Rev Scare on Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:43 am

Celtiberian wrote:

Like Grigori Rasputin, I believe Slavoj Žižek's personality contains a few of the mysterious and intriguing qualities which certain women find captivating.

Very much so. I believe that most women are attracted to childish (in a sense, his eccentricities are almost childish) behavior when that behavior does not negatively impact them. However, I do not find it likely that Lady Gaga has any such inclination toward him; her interest was most probably one of passing curiosity and the exchange of simple dialogue regarding contemporary culture (with Žižek's meandering quirks absorbing much of the time).

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Post by Celtiberian on Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:58 am

Revolutionary Wolf wrote:Very much so. I believe that most women are attracted to childish (in a sense, his eccentricities are almost childish) behavior when that behavior does not negatively impact them. However, I do not find it likely that Lady Gaga has any such inclination toward him; her interest was most probably one of passing curiosity and the exchange of simple dialogue regarding contemporary culture (with Žižek's meandering quirks absorbing much of the time).

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "most" women, but there are undoubtedly plenty of women who are attracted to such characteristics. To be fair, even many men find those personality traits at least somewhat entertaining (I know I do). In the case of Lady Gaga in particular, you're most likely right in that it was probably little more than a passing curiosity—with Žižek briefly representing the role of something of a court jester in her little world.


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Post by Rev Scare on Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:11 am

Celtiberian wrote:
Revolutionary Wolf wrote:Very much so. I believe that most women are attracted to childish (in a sense, his eccentricities are almost childish) behavior when that behavior does not negatively impact them. However, I do not find it likely that Lady Gaga has any such inclination toward him; her interest was most probably one of passing curiosity and the exchange of simple dialogue regarding contemporary culture (with Žižek's meandering quirks absorbing much of the time).

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "most" women, but there are undoubtedly plenty of women who are attracted to such characteristics. To be fair, even many men find those personality traits at least somewhat entertaining (I know I do). In the case of Lady Gaga in particular, you're most likely right in that it probably was little more than a passing curiosity—with Žižek briefly representing the role of something of a court jester in her little world.

Well, "most" simply means over 50%, which is not something I find unlikely.

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Post by Celtiberian on Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:22 am

Revolutionary Wolf wrote:Well, "most" simply means over 50%, which is not something I find unlikely.

Perhaps not, it's just something that's a bit difficult to quantify really. Though anecdotal, most of the women I've known well throughout my life are not attracted to such traits—though they could simply be exceptions to the rule.

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Re: Žižek!

Post by Rev Scare on Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:42 am

Celtiberian wrote:
Revolutionary Wolf wrote:Well, "most" simply means over 50%, which is not something I find unlikely.

Perhaps not, it's just something that's a bit difficult to quantify really. Though anecdotal, most of the women I've known well throughout my life are not attracted to such traits—though they could simply be exceptions to the rule.

It is entirely anecdotal. Our experiences or interpretations must simply differ. From purely superficial observations, most women I've known and seen find such behavior almost "cute" and lovable. I suppose "attracted" is a strong word to have used, but in a sense, it is almost an attraction in that it does not detract, but contribute, to the individual's appeal for those women.

I admit that I find his behavior entertaining to an extent myself, but either way, let us cease further discussion relating to Žižek's personality—it is irrelevant and rather uninteresting apart from its surface expression.

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Post by Isakenaz on Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:57 am

I read over on revleft, that there is no 'relationship' it was merely a rumour started by some 'art' movement.
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Post by RedBrasil on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:26 pm

50% is too high. I think less than 5% of women like men like Slavoj, unfortunately.
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Post by Red Aegis on Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:59 pm

Zizek looks like a confused bear and I love him for it.

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