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Can I consider myself a revolutionary socialist?

Post by unhortodox on Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:27 am

I expose to you my program. I'd like to read your opinion about it

1.) Self-management of work

2.) Nationalization of banks and most important businesses

3.) Introduction of direct democracy

4.) creation of a people's army

5.) creation of a people's Police

6.) support to the anti-imperialist nations

7.) leaving from organizations such OTAN, EU, IMF

8.) restoring the death penalty for bloody crimes

9.) strict control of immigration

10.) secular state

11.) abolition of the politically correct language

12.) free school and public health

PS: excuse me if my english is not well.
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Post by Celtiberian on Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:57 pm

If point 1 of your program is intended to be applied across the entire economy, thereby eliminating the bourgeoisie as a class and the practice of wage labor, then you are a socialist as far as I'm concerned. I do question why you feel only large enterprises should be nationalized, however. (I assume smaller firms would be worker-owned, self-managed cooperatives in the economy you envisage.) Also, to what degree do you favor economic planning?

As for whether your program is consistent with revolutionary socialism, the answer depends on if you advocate for a revolutionary overthrow of the existing capitalist order. Your program doesn't specify the manner by which it is to be implemented.

And don't worry about your English, comrade. It is quite sufficient.

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Re: Can I consider myself a revolutionary socialist?

Post by unhortodox on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:55 am

Celtiberian wrote:If point 1 of your program is intended to be applied across the entire economy, thereby eliminating the bourgeoisie as a class and the practice of wage labor, then you are a socialist as far as I'm concerned. I do question why you feel only large enterprises should be nationalized, however. (I assume smaller firms would be worker-owned, self-managed cooperatives in the economy you envisage.) Also, to what degree do you favor economic planning?

As for whether your program is consistent with revolutionary socialism, the answer depends on if you advocate for a revolutionary overthrow of the existing capitalist order. Your program doesn't specify the manner by which it is to be implemented.

And don't worry about your English, comrade. It is quite sufficient.

I'm totally with you about the economic program. The problem is this: if I talk with socialists or commies and I say that I'm against private property of the means of production BUT I'm pro-death penalty* and against illegal immigration, well, they call me fascist. Because they think that individual rights are equal to social rights. But in socialists countries the things are different. Letf-wing are totally into the politcally correct and they can't realize that a socialist can support these positions.

*I support death penalty only in a socialist context and not under bourgeois regime/democracy.
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Re: Can I consider myself a revolutionary socialist?

Post by HomelessArtist on Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:19 pm

unhortodox wrote:I support death penalty only in a socialist context and not under bourgeois regime/democracy.

Care to expand into this? How is dead penalty different under socialism compared to capitalism?

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Post by unhortodox on Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:10 am

HomelessArtist wrote:Care to expand into this? How is dead penalty different under socialism compared to capitalism?

As I said: better death penalty rather than to imprison a person for life. Surely I DON'T dvocate capital punishment under bourgeois democracy or regime, because the bourgeois justice will strike poor people and not the rich criminals (I think about Corporation's manager that kill workers and destroy enviroment). Under a true socialist system the courts will be composed by people  and the death sentence will  be applied only in cases of clear guilt. I do not mean that criminals like thieves must be killed. Only pedophiles, serial killers and capitalist exploiters. I hope to be not the only socialist who think this.
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Re: Can I consider myself a revolutionary socialist?

Post by HomelessArtist on Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:48 pm

OK I see.

unhortodox wrote:Under a true socialist system the courts will be composed by people

What do you mean by this? You mean it figurativly?

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Re: Can I consider myself a revolutionary socialist?

Post by Celtiberian on Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:21 am

unhortodox wrote:I'm totally with you about the economic program. The problem is this: if I talk with socialists or commies and I say that I'm against private property of the means of production BUT I'm pro-death penalty* and against illegal immigration, well, they call  me fascist

That's because they don't understand fascism's defining characteristics, which are: militarism, imperialism, corporativism, and reactionary nationalism. Communism is an economic theory concerning production, distribution, management, and ownership. Issues such as nationality, immigration, and conceptions of criminal justice are peripheral. Individuals may formulate Marxian theories of the aforementioned issues, but there is no exclusive or 'correct' communist line on them. Those who argue to the contrary are mistaken.

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