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Post by Molov on Mon May 06, 2013 8:05 pm

This is a topic I would like each of us to give some real thought too, and more importantly, discover what you truly believe is likely to happen.

Now, we all here have a pretty good general idea of our country, her history and a good overview of where we stand and how we got there and where we likely are headed.

But what I would like to ask members of the Phalanx is, where do YOU see the U.S., currently pertaining to social, cultural and economic trends (This can also include religion/U.S. Imperialism and military strength/any other variables you might consider that I left out) and expanding upon that, where are we headed taking these into account?

(Bogus question: Let's assume secret societies/"The Illumnati" really are in control of the U.S., does this make them equal to capitalists as a class? A creation of the worst of Capitalism, or a separate group unique to our current society? Molov its all fake no one believes this thus making this a real bogus question?)

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Post by Celtiberian on Wed May 08, 2013 1:24 am

Molov wrote:But what I would like to ask members of the Phalanx is, where do YOU see the U.S., currently pertaining to social, cultural and economic trends (This can also include religion/U.S. Imperialism and military strength/any other variables you might consider that I left out) and expanding upon that, where are we headed taking these into account?

In terms of our social relations, the United States is a very fragmented society; false consciousness continues to pervade throughout the country due to the Left's inability to organize the working class in the midst of the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression. Culturally, we are in a state of utter deterioration for all of the reasons Harvey Swados identified decades ago. As far as our economy is concerned, it's questionable as to whether the bourgeoisie will be capable of surmounting the various contradictions afflicting capitalism long enough to concoct another bubble which will enable this moribund system to survive another few years. That isn't to say that communism is on the horizon, however.

Let's assume secret societies/"The Illumnati" really are in control of the U.S., does this make them equal to capitalists as a class? A creation of the worst of Capitalism, or a separate group unique to our current society?

As a materialist, I categorically reject the idealist assumptions which underlie conspiracy theories. There are obviously a few secret societies which the elite (capitalist and non-capitalist alike) participate in, but they, like most other aspects of society's superstructure, are subordinated to the laws of capital accumulation. In other words, it's not individuals or conspiring groups of individuals who determine the trajectory of capitalism, but rather it's the system's internal dynamics which do.

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Post by elysium on Sun May 19, 2013 11:22 pm

I think many Americans will renounce their U.S. citizenship, as it's no longer largely worth the price to be one. People tend not to get ahead in the workforce, positionally, or in wages. Additionally, after completing one or multiple degrees, graduates can often only find measly, service, low-wage paying jobs, stilting their intellectual growth. Many billionaires have already renounced their citizenship, in order to keep their monies, and not have to pay unwarranted amounts to the state in taxes, and penalties for redundant business transactions. Expatriation (residing outside of the U.S.) is another option. But I think underlying this is also a sense of civil unrest, such as forecasted by Gerald Celente in his Trends Research. There are increasing animosities with regard to food shortages, gun rights issues, immigration reform, and the abortion debate-essentially failed policies at the local, state, and federal levels.
Dr. Igor Panarin, a former KGB analyst, and currently professor at the Moscow State Diplomacy, under the auspices of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, asserts the breakup of the U.S. into six geographical territories, to be redesignated under other sovereign countries. I rather think a balkanizing would occur along racial/political lines, and that they would be sovereign U.S. territories, but that would likely shift due to economic instabilities (different economic systems within and between said territories).


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Post by elysium on Mon May 20, 2013 1:14 am

http://www.meez.com/community.dm?furl=http%3A//forums.meez.com/forums/serious-topics/590708-usa-dissintegration-theory-igor-panarin.html

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Post by elysium on Mon May 20, 2013 1:32 am

This article highlights how Dr. Panarin arrived at his conclusions, and gives an overview of his career evolution: http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/a/SB123051100709638419?mg=reno64-wsj

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Post by elysium on Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:45 pm

http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/10/retired-russian-general-the-ussr-collapsed-and-the-same-fate-has-been-prepared-for-the-usa

Retired Russian General, Konstantin P. Petrov on the global mafia and planned economic collapse for the U.S.

"In the United States lives 5% of the world’s population, but Americans consume 50% of the world’s energy resources. The global mafia sees this as a problem.

Some of our people who fled to the US, and now live there on welfare, live better there unemployed than they would have lived in Russia even if they were employed.

The slave masters think that this situation in the US is unacceptable because even the slaves live relatively well there, so the United States is doomed too in this sense.

...The leadership of the USSR and the leadership of the USA carried out internal and external politics, but the global mafia carries out global politics.

The USSR collapsed and the same fate has been prepared for the US."



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Post by Celtiberian on Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:42 pm

elysium wrote:http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/10/retired-russian-general-the-ussr-collapsed-and-the-same-fate-has-been-prepared-for-the-usa

Retired Russian General, Konstantin P. Petrov on the global mafia and planned economic collapse for the U.S.

"In the United States lives 5% of the world’s population, but Americans consume 50% of the world’s energy resources. The global mafia sees this as a problem.

Some of our people who fled to the US, and now live there on welfare, live better there unemployed than they would have lived in Russia even if they were employed.

The slave masters think that this situation in the US is unacceptable because even the slaves live relatively well there, so the United States is doomed too in this sense.

...The leadership of the USSR and the leadership of the USA carried out internal and external politics, but the global mafia carries out global politics.

The USSR collapsed and the same fate has been prepared for the US."

Petrov's comments are vague to the point of uselessness. Several questions immediately come to mind, such as: exactly who constitutes this "global mafia" of which he speaks? What does their agenda consist of, and how does the United States' per capita energy consumption factor into it? The fact he fails to address these issues or provide any empirical data to support his claims in the video is grounds for skepticism, if not outright dismissal.

And forgive me, but I question the credibility of this Russian mystic. It doesn't surprise me that the paleoconservative crackpots at freedomoutpost.com would get excited about his comments, but I can't understand why radicals would give such transparently inane conspiracy theories serious consideration.

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Post by elysium on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:04 am

http://carolynbaker.net/2013/04/07/the-five-stages-of-collapse-by-dmitry-orlov-reviewed-by-carolyn-baker/

"Collapse is not a nightmare scenario to be avoided at all costs but part of the normal, unalterable ebb and flow of human history, and the widespread tendency to block it out of our worldview is, to put it very mildly, maladaptive." Dmitry Orlov

Petrov echoes what so many others are saying with regard to his insights and assessments about the coming collapse of the US. He speaks elements of truth although he is vague on some issues. I find that many persons in a delicate position (oftentimes high-placed positions), are non-descript on particular issues. This could be for a variety of reasons; they don't have ample time to address it, or it would bring undue scrutiny upon him/herself, or they feel like the information is available elsewhere, leaving it up to the reader/listener to 'read between the lines'.

As it's related to the discussion of the thread, and relevant to the topic of collapse, it seemed purposeful in demonstrating a financial stage of collapse (the article is posted on many websites, of which, I encountered on the above website), leading in to the Five Stages of Collapse as articulated by Dmitry Orlov.

1. Financial
2. Commercial
3. Political
4. Social
5. Cultural

"Prior to launching into the Five Stages, Orlov states that before arguing for imminent collapse, we must be convinced of the finitude of fossil fuels and other resources, and we must understand that as resources become increasingly scarce, the capacity for global industrial growth ultimately vanishes. And while coming to terms with these two realities overwhelmingly advances the certainty of collapse, nothing persuades us like our own personal experience.

Once we have realized the extent of our predicament and the compelling likelihood of the collapse of industrial civilization, we exit exclusively mental territory and enter the psychological realm, for as Orlov says, “the main impediment to grasping its significance is not intellectual but psychological.”

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