The term "Stalinism"?

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The term "Stalinism"?

Post by W.N on Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:38 pm

First I want to do a short introduction; I used to post on stormfront, but not so much anymore. Mainly because it has become very "right-wing" supporting capitalism more or less uncritically, and also because many other things.

But anyway to the topic: The term "Stalinism". Apparently today it can actually mean many things, especielly in Russia. Original or traditional, or "genuine" stalinists (as far as I know) never used that term themselves. I believe it was coined by Trotskyites in the thirties, later became a designation on every anti-troskyite position. Stalinists usually call themselves "marxist-leninst" or "marxist-leninist-maoists" or simply "anti-revisionists". On the other hand there are established term such as "Maoists" "Kim-il-sungists" and "Hoxaists" or even "Polpotists" etc. Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, Polpot, Ceaucescu and Kim, their regimes may have had something in common, but they were alos differing from one another. One thing they had in common was their patriotism (and nationalism), I think it´s fair to say they were all ultra-patriotic...

I believe it´s a common misunderstaning that "National Bolshevism" is really just synonymous with a kind of Stalinism. Sure there may be Stalinists among NBs, however far from allways. And I believe this forum is labeled "National Bolshevist", and that you may have some "Stalinists" here. As said there´s a common believe that all left-wing nationalists are a kind of stalinists, or something of that kind. Btw nowadays it´s like any form of authoritarian socialism being labeled "stalinism", ironically also including some of the many trotskyite groups.

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Do you have any specific attitude towards "stalinism"?

Would you call yourself "authoritarian" socialists?


And I´m not a stalinist myself (and neither a Hitlerist for that matter).
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Re: The term "Stalinism"?

Post by Red Aegis on Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:56 pm

W.N wrote:First I want to do a short introduction; I used to post on stormfront, but not so much anymore. Mainly because it has become very "right-wing" supporting capitalism more or less uncritically, and also because many other things.

Fascism is a form of Capitalism. I just wanted to throw that out there.

But anyway to the topic: The term "Stalinism". Apparently today it can actually mean many things, especielly in Russia. Original or traditional, or "genuine" stalinists (as far as I know) never used that term themselves.


They didn't call themselves that because they wanted to put Lenin and Marx on a pedestal as infallible prophets. It is common for stalinists to argue that Lenin and Stalin agreed on almost every issue and it is for this reason that any changes or differing opinions are labeled as 'revisionist' of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin.

I believe it was coined by Trotskyites in the thirties, later became a designation on every anti-troskyite position.


Trotsky knew that anarchists existed.

Stalinists usually call themselves "marxist-leninst" or "marxist-leninist-maoists" or simply "anti-revisionists". On the other hand there are established term such as "Maoists" "Kim-il-sungists" and "Hoxaists" or even "Polpotists" etc. Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, Polpot, Ceaucescu and Kim, their regimes may have had something in common, but they were alos differing from one another. One thing they had in common was their patriotism (and nationalism), I think it´s fair to say they were all ultra-patriotic...


That is fair to say, but here's the question: was their 'patriotism' reactionary and chauvinistic? I say that it was. None of those people even supported something other than State Capitalism or some messed up pseudo-monarchy.

I believe it´s a common misunderstaning that "National Bolshevism" is really just synonymous with a kind of Stalinism.

That is true I think, but I consider the quasi-fascist nature of that movement to be just as bad - if not worse than - as generic stalinism.

Sure there may be Stalinists among NBs, however far from allways.


You are probably right.

And I believe this forum is labeled "National Bolshevist", and that you may have some "Stalinists" here.

There are stalinists here, but this is not a nazbol forum.

As said there´s a common believe that all left-wing nationalists are a kind of stalinists, or something of that kind. Btw nowadays it´s like any form of authoritarian socialism being labeled "stalinism", ironically also including some of the many trotskyite groups.

People misuse terms all the time.

Questions:


Do you have any specific attitude towards "stalinism"?

I have an unfavorable disposition towards it to say the least.

Would you call yourself "authoritarian" socialists?

No.

And I´m not a stalinist myself (and neither a Hitlerist for that matter).

That is good, both positions are unfavorable to me.

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Re: The term "Stalinism"?

Post by TheocWulf on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:17 pm

Depends on what version of National Bolshevism your referring to.Heres the thread.
http://www.socialistphalanx.com/t585-national-bolshevism

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Re: The term "Stalinism"?

Post by W.N on Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:52 pm

In the western part of the world today, it seems that stalinists are almost extinct. The radical "mainstream" left is dominated by trotskyists and anarchists. Take for instance the antifa, is dominated by these, anarchists and trotskyists. Though there may be a few stalinists as well in the antifa.

In Russia on the other hand, there are a few relatively big communist parties, and they are all stalinistic and also highly patriotic (nationalistic). There are indeed also groups of trots and "mainstream" anarchists, but these are more marginal.
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Post by Red Aegis on Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:26 pm

Those mainstream russian "communist" parties are almost all reformist if I remember correctly.

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Re: The term "Stalinism"?

Post by W.N on Thu May 16, 2013 6:15 am

Nevertheless thet are all stalinistic and patriotic.
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