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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:25 pm


Ok so before I begin Id like to talk about some of the points brought up against me. That is that my writings are childish, jumbled, dumb and so on. I dont like using big words when I talk so I dont see why I should when I write. The same goes for my rambling style and what I write about. I am what I am and Im not going to try and pretend to be something else like I used to in the early days of this forum. Also I think the usual forum writing style should get stripped down and made simpler. What Im doing to writing is kind of like what Motorhead did to music back in the 70's. Making things street level is the point.

Now then nationalism and politics should be kept in two different rooms. A nationalist system is just as bad as any other system. I mean how many times have governments preached about national pride and glory while at the same time keeping people down? Nationalism when used by governments is bullshit. However nationalism when its about being ready to stand up and fight for your people if need be, or when its about pride and magic type feelings is all good. Its very much in humans as a whole really. Trying to brush that away is trying to brush away nature. So yeah nationalism is good when its not political.

Thats bascially the same deal with racism. The white nationalist types are trying to make it all political. When of course a racist system would suck as much as any other. Some even throw in the whole supremacy thing which makes racism look nothing more than a my dick is bigger than yours act. No racism should be kept as simple as not liking or hating niggers ( or honkies if your black and so on down the line). It should stay wild caveman like and not made political.

I might get more into this but for now this is it. Politics should be left out of these otherwise great and cool feelings.


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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:57 pm



In other words Nationalism and Racism should be about feeling not politics.

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Post by capitalism_collapse on Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:03 pm

You have a questioning nature, Rebel Warrior 59 and I like that in you. While your politics (or lack thereof) are clearly not in line with Left Nationalism, it's just good to me to see people questioning their programming though you and we will surely disagree politically on what's best for humanity.


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Re: On Nationalism and Racism

Post by TheocWulf on Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:55 am

Rebel Warrior 59 wrote:
Ok so before I begin Id like to talk about some of the points brought up against me. That is that my writings are childish, jumbled, dumb and so on. I dont like using big words when I talk so I dont see why I should when I write. The same goes for my rambling style and what I write about. I am what I am and Im not going to try and pretend to be something else like I used to in the early days of this forum. Also I think the usual forum writing style should get stripped down and made simpler. What Im doing to writing is kind of like what Motorhead did to music back in the 70's. Making things street level is the point.

Now then nationalism and politics should be kept in two different rooms. A nationalist system is just as bad as any other system. I mean how many times have governments preached about national pride and glory while at the same time keeping people down? Nationalism when used by governments is bullshit. However nationalism when its about being ready to stand up and fight for your people if need be, or when its about pride and magic type feelings is all good. Its very much in humans as a whole really. Trying to brush that away is trying to brush away nature. So yeah nationalism is good when its not political.

Thats bascially the same deal with racism. The white nationalist types are trying to make it all political. When of course a racist system would suck as much as any other. Some even throw in the whole supremacy thing which makes racism look nothing more than a my dick is bigger than yours act. No racism should be kept as simple as not liking or hating niggers ( or honkies if your black and so on down the line). It should stay wild caveman like and not made political.

I might get more into this but for now this is it. Politics should be left out of these otherwise great and cool feelings.


I concur mate our ethnocentric nature and the nationalism inherit in that ethnocentric sea should be part of our folk spirit,something deep down inside us,not political our tribe should be well above politics.


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Re: On Nationalism and Racism

Post by DSN on Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:04 am

If a person cares about his/her people (however they define that collective) then it would make no sense to leave politics out of it. Look at the whole Nazi hype about Jewish communist-capitalists overrunning their nations and poisoning their cereal. White Nationalists rarely let you walk away with a simple "I hate niggers for no reason!" explanation of their views.

I mean how many times have governments preached about national pride and glory while at the same time keeping people down? Nationalism when used by governments is bullshit.

Yes, and how many Nazis support Hitler's politics for its racial nature?

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Re: On Nationalism and Racism

Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:49 pm

DSN wrote:If a person cares about his/her people (however they define that collective) then it would make no sense to leave politics out of it. Look at the whole Nazi hype about Jewish communist-capitalists overrunning their nations and poisoning their cereal. White Nationalists rarely let you walk away with a simple "I hate niggers for no reason!" explanation of their views.

I think it makes good sense. I mean it wouldnt be senseless at all for say a Finnish person to not care about politics but at the same time be ready to fight with other Finnish people if the Russians invaded ( for example). Not to mention one can easily be proud of their heritage and at the same time not give a fuck about politics. Sure most nationalists might care about politics but that doesnt mean that all must.

Your right about the White ( and other racial) nationalist types and thats cause their not average racists. They are racist but they take the whole thing a step further by making it political. Mean your average racist down at the local bar doesnt have an agenda. They just happen to hate or not like other races. The racialist crowd does and thats the big dividing line.

Yes, and how many Nazis support Hitler's politics for its racial nature?

Im not sure what you trying to ask by the way but I think most Nazis do support Hitler's racial politics. Why wouldnt they?

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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:50 pm

TheocWulf wrote:I concur mate our ethnocentric nature and the nationalism inherit in that ethnocentric sea should be part of our folk spirit,something deep down inside us,not political our tribe should be well above politics.

Exactly.

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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:42 pm


Also Id like to add that Nationalism and Racism should always have a strong rebellious and fuck the mainstream attitude. It should be what they called counterculture in the 60's. As for why, that would take another thread to get into, but I can say that society is a piece of shit that needs to get flushed down the toilet or at least be always given the middle finger. Nationalism and Racism that tries to be socially acceptable is fake and should be wiped out.

Another thing is that while I dont agree with the WN, Neo Nazi, and other lets try to be family friendly racist and nationalist types I think they still are good for something. Which is that they shock and give the middle finger to the mainstream as well without even trying. Plus I see nothing wrong with using symbols that they use as well to piss off the mainstream morons. Mean listening to lets say Black Sabbath isnt gonna do shit these days. But walking down the street wearing a swastika t shirt is still gonna shock the fuck out of many people. Of course this whole topic is for another thread but still youthful rock n roll rebellion needs to make a comeback and it should be mixed with racism/nationalism that isnt respectable.



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Post by Red Aegis on Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:42 am

If you want to just go against the grain and shock people that is fine, but if you wear that shit you are saying that you are a supporter of it. That is not alright in my book. You can wear it if you want to but you would deserve all the vitriol you would receive - though you would probably like it.

Mindless rebellion is not rebellion at all. You must know what you are doing and why; otherwise, you are only a slave to the very trends that occur in fashion and culture that you say you rebel against. The only difference between you and a 'fashionista' is that you take the opposite stance. You both are totally predictable and dependent on the opinion of those around you in regards to pointless, petty matters.

If you truly want to rebel then find your own goal, your own ideal, and push for it. Don't be dependent on the flow of public opinion.

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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:33 pm

Red Aegis wrote:If you want to just go against the grain and shock people that is fine, but if you wear that shit you are saying that you are a supporter of it. That is not alright in my book. You can wear it if you want to but you would deserve all the vitriol you would receive - though you would probably like it.

Mindless rebellion is not rebellion at all. You must know what you are doing and why; otherwise, you are only a slave to the very trends that occur in fashion and culture that you say you rebel against. The only difference between you and a 'fashionista' is that you take the opposite stance. You both are totally predictable and dependent on the opinion of those around you in regards to pointless, petty matters.

If you truly want to rebel then find your own goal, your own ideal, and push for it. Don't be dependent on the flow of public opinion.

Well I dont walk around wearing swastika T shirts like I did when I was 16 but I say its useful to piss people while not being a real Hitler follower And how is rebelling for no reason following trends? Dude as soon as you begin life your told by tons of people day after day that you should follow the rules and so on Sure there are shows on the tube that show stuff thats sort of rebellious but its really fake Point is there isnt a trend towards pointless rebellion Authority has always been against rebellion and always rails against Ok there are people who rebel for fashion but not a lot Fashion freaks always go on to another thing rebels dont

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Post by Red Aegis on Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:38 pm

Rebel Warrior 59 wrote: Well I dont walk around wearing swastika T shirts like I did when I was 16 but I say its useful to piss people while not being a real Hitler follower And how is rebelling for no reason following trends? Dude as soon as you begin life your told by tons of people day after day that you should follow the rules and so on Sure there are shows on the tube that show stuff thats sort of rebellious but its really fake Point is there isnt a trend towards pointless rebellion Authority has always been against rebellion and always rails against Ok there are people who rebel for fashion but not a lot Fashion freaks always go on to another thing rebels dont

You are misunderstanding me. When you base your efforts' direction on counter-acting the actions and preferences of others you are just as enslaved to those trends - preferences of those around you - as those who wish to follow those trends. What you do is just as predictable as what the people you rail against will do. You are not rising above the fray of those single-dimensional trends. You are merely reacting.

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Post by Rebel Redneck 59 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:50 pm

Red Aegis wrote:You are misunderstanding me. When you base your efforts' direction on counter-acting the actions and preferences of others you are just as enslaved to those trends - preferences of those around you - as those who wish to follow those trends. What you do is just as predictable as what the people you rail against will do. You are not rising above the fray of those single-dimensional trends. You are merely reacting.

Ok true but whats wrong with simply reacting? Why does it have to be original like you say ? I mean Socialists are reacting against Capitalism. And not in a original way either. I mean you say we should take the control of the economy out of the hands of the few and put it in control of the many. Thats pretty fucking similar to other ideas like democracy which came before. The Capitalism vs Socialism thing this forum promotes is pretty one D to be honest. In this day and age its hard to be completely original cause so many things have been tried before. So I see no shame in taking some things and using it for your own goals.

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Post by Socialist Warrior on Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:10 pm

I entirely reject racism: the "white" proletariat has no common cause with the "white" bourgeoisie who actively harm their interests.

Shared genetics are no basis for political cohesion: ever heard of civil wars?

I view the nation as important yes, but the nation is formed historically and socially and its defining aspects are its cultural characteristics; not race. Mexico is multiethnic in origin but it is still a nation.
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Post by TheocWulf on Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:15 pm

Socialist Warrior wrote:I entirely reject racism: the "white" proletariat has no common cause with the "white" bourgeoisie who actively harm their interests.

Shared genetics are no basis for political cohesion: ever heard of civil wars?

I view the nation as important yes, but the nation is formed historically and socially and its defining aspects are its cultural characteristics; not race. Mexico is multiethnic in origin but it is still a nation.

Tell that to the Indigenous (Indian) population of Mexico.

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